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Old 01-03-2009, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles Area
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Can't handle soy. There will always be need for milk and meat. Not everyone can eat a primarily vegitarian diet.
Everyone could eat a vegetarian diet....but they are unlikely to do so.

Anyhow, I've noticed milk getting cheaper. You can get 2 gallons here for around $4.50 now. Eggs are back down to around ~$1.20/dozen. I even noticed cheese getting cheaper. The 2.5 pound bag of shredded cheese (mixed) I get from costco was $6.40, use to be $7.50.

Now, if only heavy cream would come down so I can make cheap ice cream.
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Old 01-04-2009, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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Everyone could eat a vegetarian diet....but they are unlikely to do so.

Anyhow, I've noticed milk getting cheaper. You can get 2 gallons here for around $4.50 now. Eggs are back down to around ~$1.20/dozen. I even noticed cheese getting cheaper. The 2.5 pound bag of shredded cheese (mixed) I get from costco was $6.40, use to be $7.50.

Now, if only heavy cream would come down so I can make cheap ice cream.
Actually not everyone. I have tried. Due to medical considerations its not possible.

Haven't been to the store in almost a month, but *hopefully* milk has dropped here too. Been getting a whole bunch and freezing part of it... 1 percent milk freezes very well.... and its expensive.

No costco or sam's club here. But two superwalmarts. I wonder how they compare.

In a bad economy, or something worse, its not only the supply of food that matters but the price. If you can't afford it the shelves might as well be empty.
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Old 01-04-2009, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles Area
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Actually not everyone. I have tried. Due to medical considerations its not possible.
What medical consideration? You can get all the same vitamins and amino-acids from vegetables/legumes so I can't imagine what medical consideration would force you to eat meat.

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No costco or sam's club here. But two superwalmarts. I wonder how they compare.
No idea, I haven't been to a super walmart since I lived in PA. They seem to be a more small-ish town thing.

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In a bad economy, or something worse, its not only the supply of food that matters but the price. If you can't afford it the shelves might as well be empty.
Sure, but at some point it doesn't make sense for the guy raising cattle and milking it to do so. Why work if you aren't making a profit?
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Old 01-04-2009, 01:34 AM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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What medical consideration? You can get all the same vitamins and amino-acids from vegetables/legumes so I can't imagine what medical consideration would force you to eat meat.
can't digest them. I tried a vegetarian diet and it didn't work.

I understand the cost thing, but I don't think that meat/milk will ever dissapear from the diet. Yes, less meat and more grains and vegies, but not everyone can or will balance out a vegitarian diet.

Meat could be more expensive and people use less but it has been part of the human diet for as long as we have been, and not likely to change.
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Old 01-04-2009, 09:12 AM
 
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There are all sorts of negative considerations to soy you can find if you are willing to google around. TVP (texturized vegetable protein) in particular has an unusual and possibly dangerous mix of amino acids and components, and has fallen out of favor in many circles.

People really are much more idiosyncratic in food tolerances than most folks realize. Roughly 10 to 15% of people either have celiac or other sensitivities to wheat and gluten. Irritable bowl syndrome can make coarse roughage like in whole grains and some vegetables a major problem for others. There are known allergies to peanuts and tree nuts. Many people can't tolerate the nightshades, such as tomatoes, peppers and potatoes. Some of this is sorted out in the book "Eat Right For Your Blood Type," which points out that type A people can easily go vegetarian, but that some type O people find that type of diet actively unhealthful and do much better on meat.

Bringing it back on topic, I'm quite concerned about the surplus of milk - which could indicate a negative dietary shift as poorer people struggle to make ends meet. The farmers' profit margins for beef and chicken get slimmer and slimmer, even as the price of beef stays high. IMO, there is some profit taking by wholesalers and stores, but most of the issues can be directly tied to the recent high energy prices.
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Old 01-04-2009, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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I've read far too much negative info on soy to bother with that. Several years ago I went on a carefully-planned Vegan diet. I can eat virtually anything, but I "failed to thrive" after six months or so without meat protein. I'm much healthier consuming reasonable portions of lean meat, fish, and poultry on a regular basis as part of my diet.

I purchase milk for cooking purposes only and have noticed it coming down significantly. Actually as I recall the last time we were at Super Target, one gallon jugs were going for slightly less than half gallon jugs -- I wonder what causes this odd price distortion. I expect the prices of one or the other have moved now so that although a gallon is still a better deal by volume, you actually pay more for the greater volume.

Anyway, I've seen prices for MANY grocery items come down as of late in the form of sale price "mark-downs" in the aisles. The implication is that you're getting a temporary discount so you'd better stock up, but the sales seem to pretty persistent right now.

The milk surplus story sounds like another externality I heard about on NPR one day: the rate of landfill "fill" is increasing because China's demand for raw paper material supplied by US recycling suppliers is dropping to basically nothing. As a result, these US recycling firms may be forced out of business, ratcheting up the fill rate even more.
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Old 01-04-2009, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Well, I'm doing my part. I drink about 2 1/2 gallons of 2% every week.
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Old 01-04-2009, 10:04 AM
 
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My buddy told me that humans and kitty cats are the only animals that consume milk in adulthood (and the milk of another species, at that).

Is that right?
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Old 01-04-2009, 10:52 AM
 
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My buddy told me that humans and kitty cats are the only animals that consume milk in adulthood (and the milk of another species, at that).

Is that right?
Nope. Pigs commonly were fed slop made with excess milk. Ask any dog if it wants a piece of cheese (milk product). They'll drink milk as well.
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Old 01-04-2009, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles Area
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can't digest them. I tried a vegetarian diet and it didn't work.
You can't digest vegetables or legumes? Why is that? How do you stay healthy?

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I've read far too much negative info on soy to bother with that. Several years ago I went on a carefully-planned Vegan diet. I can eat virtually anything, but I "failed to thrive" after six months or so without meat protein.
Not to be a broken record but there are no proteins in meat that can't be found in vegetables and/or legumes. So, if your diet didn't work for you its because it wasn't a good diet, not because you needed "meat protein" to thrive. But this is a problem with proponents of veganism, etc they often pretend as if there is a one size fits all diet and there isn't.

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The implication is that you're getting a temporary discount so you'd better stock up, but the sales seem to pretty persistent right now.
The grocery stores seem to hate to lower the sticker price. The sale on milk has lasted months now...and its actually gotten cheaper. Costco seems to be the only store that doesn't mind adjusting the price downward.
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