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Old 04-03-2009, 07:00 AM
 
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under the new cap and trade regulations, we are all going to be paying more for utilities.

Far-reaching and regressive, the White House’s own budget officials first pegged the price tag at $646 billion – but admitted to Senate staffers that the actual number would be “two-to-three times” that figure. Which means an estimated $1.3 trillion and $1.9 trillion between fiscal years 2012 and 2019 by the Obama number-crunchers’ (or rather, number-cookers’) own calculations.

There’s no pretense about the impact these measures will have on taxpayers: “Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket,” Obama admitted during the 2008 campaign. “That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.”

i hope we are starting to realize that all of this is going to cost middle class and poor americans more money......
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Old 04-03-2009, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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Hopefully it will make it too expensive for people who like "hot weather" to move to Florida and turn their air conditioner on for 8 months. Cap and trade is the ultimate globalist scam, but Floridians are generally passive and can be forced to take anything, no matter how bad it hurts.
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Old 04-03-2009, 08:19 PM
 
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Or just switch to Solar. Little to no electricity bills thereafter.

That is a pretty easy win in Florida.
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Old 04-04-2009, 03:39 AM
 
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Or just switch to Solar. Little to no electricity bills thereafter.

That is a pretty easy win in Florida.
Really? Just how are those "solar panels" going to generate power for any purpose ... refrigeration, lighting, air conditioning, electronic entertainment, computers, etc. ... at night?

Somebody's ignorance about when the sun shines to generate power and when it doesn't might be showing .... or are the unicorns and rainbows going to deliver the power in little woven baskets when the sun doesn't shine?

Not to mention that the available electrical energy from covering a roof with panels where it's oriented properly to the sun would not generate enough power to air condition the house below to Florida comfort levels ....

And we're not even yet into the legal issues arising from the cosmetic concerns about ugly "solar panels". I've got cousins who live in a condo/townhome community where the exterior cannot be modified in any way ... no flags, no flowerpots, no hanging of laundry, and no solar panels. It might disturb the view for the neighbors.
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Old 04-04-2009, 10:44 PM
 
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Really? Just how are those "solar panels" going to generate power for any purpose ... refrigeration, lighting, air conditioning, electronic entertainment, computers, etc. ... at night?

Somebody's ignorance about when the sun shines to generate power and when it doesn't might be showing .... or are the unicorns and rainbows going to deliver the power in little woven baskets when the sun doesn't shine?
Get off your high horse. When do you use air conditioning? During the day. When does the sun shine? During the day. This is the biggest chunk of most people's electricity bill.
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Old 04-05-2009, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Get off your high horse. When do you use air conditioning? During the day. When does the sun shine? During the day. This is the biggest chunk of most people's electricity bill.
Have you ever been to Florida in the summer? night time temps can be in the high 90's not to mention the humidity, Hell I live in Maine and there are about 15 to 25 nights in the summer were AC is needed for comfortable sleeping.

your quote above is like saying that you only need to run your furnace in Maine at night during the winter.


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Old 04-05-2009, 06:05 PM
 
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florida would definitely be a solar panel friendly state, but it doesn't change the fact that it is not generally cost effective to get your energy from solar panels or that this whole cap and trade is a scam being perpetrated on the american people......
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Old 04-05-2009, 06:21 PM
 
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Get off your high horse. When do you use air conditioning? During the day. When does the sun shine? During the day. This is the biggest chunk of most people's electricity bill.
No, we turn our AC's up when we are at work during the day and lower them when we get home..

I can tell you have never been to Texas during May, June, July, August, September and October.. and most of the time in November..

Good luck sleeping on any of those nights...

And it would take 20 years to recover the cost of the solar panels..
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:39 AM
 
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Get off your high horse. When do you use air conditioning? During the day. When does the sun shine? During the day. This is the biggest chunk of most people's electricity bill.
That requires a little bit of critical thinking. I did not bother with "sunsprit" as I figured they were riding their "Dumb Ass," rather than a High Horse.

Of course most electricity is used during the day, and when in Florida, most daily heat (including Hot Water, and yeah in Winter, they use Heat) and daytime lighting can easily be handled by Solar and never even touch PV.

If one is in Florida did wish to enter into PV, they now have favorable Net Metering and Buy Back laws. Anyone sincerely interested, hit a Search for "Florida Net Metering" and I can step you through that. But it seemed that this was more (yet another) Whine About Obama (tm) thread, rather than anyone looking for practical solutions.
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