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A small country like The Netherlands has a debt of over 346 billion Euro's!
This country has 16.5 mill people living there and fits 3 times Florida, so start preparing if Obama succeed's to have socialized health (s)care
The US currently spends more on healthcare, per person, then any nation on the globe, including those with socialized medicine.
Some people already pay almost 50% of their income in taxes and with the proposed tax increases will soon be paying more. How much are they expected to pay? Or are people who're paying zero taxes or 5% or 10% or 20% going to kick in more? What most Americans seem to want is to have a smorgasbord of entitlement programs, without having to pay for it themselves. It's something the "wealthy" are expected to provide out of some form of noblesse oblige.
The wealthy aren't an endless fount of funding, and there is a point at which public burdens become unduly burdensome. With money comes mobility. Wealthy people already invest outside the U.S. They have money in foreign banks and own real estate abroad. It isn't a very big leap at all to follow the money. And it's going out of America, not in.
I think anyone that has a job will be paying 50%..
Everyone thinks Universal Health Care will be cheap, but it wont be..Those that can pay will be paying for those that can't.
I'm not saying that we don't need to do something, I'm just not sure we should go the way of Canada and the UK.
My 50% includes other things too, like free college, I'm pretty sure that is close behind UHC.
My 50% includes other things too, like free college, I'm pretty sure that is close behind UHC.
Houston, I have read that a few times now. That every kid is entitled to a free education applies only through High School but now there's talk of College as well since the bar is raised and college is almost required for any decent job these days..even a 2 year degree is sometime required for secretarial/administrative work.
In the long run this would change the face of Colleges. Public colleges would be degree mills, churning out countless numbers of unqualified graduates to meet numbers just like it's done in high schools today to meet Federal quotas and get Federal money.
I mean..how can someone graduate high school and receive a diploma and be illiterate ?
In the long run this would change the face of Colleges. Public colleges would be degree mills, churning out countless numbers of unqualified graduates to meet numbers just like it's done in high schools today to meet Federal quotas and get Federal money.
Offering free college education would also change the face of employment requirements, for the very reason you stated about meeting quotas. Give everyone the chance at free 'higher education' and you'll see the bar drop in terms of requirements to pass or quality of the curriculum. Soon after that happens, employers will no longer seek out college degrees, they'll want people with masters and then the cycle continues.
I just love how socialists or people who favor it feel everything is entitled to them. If people really want to better themselves or have all the same benefits as alot of people, the opportunities exist, it isn't necessary to hand it over by taking it from others that have succeeded or are willing to work for it.
The US currently spends more on healthcare, per person, then any nation on the globe, including those with socialized medicine.
That really depends on how you measure things. The same as we spend more on most other things. I would say thawhat people don't realise is the entire burden on people i amny semi-socailist countries like europe. They also have about 255 unemployemnt in the usder 30 years of age. Owning a homne is really not possible for so many even in teh middle class. then look at the overall tax and feee burden that they have thatmakes coucil house( what we would call teh project) a hughe housing necessity. I would mucg rahter lok at the overall lifestyle opf each and the actual choices.
That really depends on how you measure things. The same as we spend more on most other things. I would say thawhat people don't realise is the entire burden on people i amny semi-socailist countries like europe. They also have about 255 unemployemnt in the usder 30 years of age. Owning a homne is really not possible for so many even in teh middle class. then look at the overall tax and feee burden that they have thatmakes coucil house( what we would call teh project) a hughe housing necessity. I would mucg rahter lok at the overall lifestyle opf each and the actual choices.
The point is, people who keep blabbing about the huge cost of socialized medicine, neglect to see that, likely, we could REDUCE the cost per person we are spending by socializing.
With socialized medicine, nobody will ever pay $15 for a tylenol. That is fact. Removing profiteering healthcare conglomerates and the worthless third party insurance beauracracy out of the picture would reduce costs by half, at least.
Healthcare will be rationed for the elderly. I'm willing to bet on it. Daschle who almost got the job to oversee healthcare touts the system that uses a treatment formula that include "how many years you are expected to live" along with cost effectiveness.
Also, if 45 million more people get healthcare, who is going to flip the switch so that the required number of physicians appear at the same time.
The point is, people who keep blabbing about the huge cost of socialized medicine, neglect to see that, likely, we could REDUCE the cost per person we are spending by socializing.
With socialized medicine, nobody will ever pay $15 for a tylenol. That is fact. Removing profiteering healthcare conglomerates and the worthless third party insurance beauracracy out of the picture would reduce costs by half, at least.
This is exactly right. Their beef is not with those wishing for a more fair system, it's with the current government and how they filter the funds and essentially waste tax payer money. It's like I said for those who chose not to listen, 72% of our medicine is already federally funded. People want to make it seem like full coverage is such a large leap - it really is NOT.
What needs to happen is a complete re-tooling of the system because we are completely overspending for unnecessary uses while there are millions and millions of people not getting anything.
All they do by arguing against socialized medicine is ignore the two biggest problems we face: People without healthcare and complete and utter government waste in healthcare. It solves nothing and the problems still remain in the worst way.
Also, if 45 million more people get healthcare, who is going to flip the switch so that the required number of physicians appear at the same time.
Since when was the creation of more jobs a bad thing? Isn't that what we're attempting to do anyway? Just because 45 million more people have healthcare doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't already going to the doctor - they're just going bankrupt to do so. Healthcare aside, now you have a larger group of people able to put their money into other economical goods and a larger segment of the population working and creating capital. Socialized medicine can certainly go hand-in-hand with capitalism. But you won't hear that on Fox News.
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