Great timing, the economy is down and Obama wants to do this...Bill Would Guarantee Up to 7 Paid Sick Days (jobs, reserve)
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It all depends on the business...if the business works on appointments and the employee who is scheduled to help a certain clients on a day, it will hurt the business.
Would you rather send an employee in poor health, who isnt on their A game, and could get your client or clients office sick, and also your office sick as well, so you can have more workers seeing clients ill?
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Originally Posted by bentlebee
Out of expierence I know that mnay employees take the sick days for all kinds of things, specially if there isn't a chance they are being checked to be at home as it has been in certain parts of the world. With a minor fever they will come to work and use the days for other things and what is a employer to do to check on this?
That is what the part of the bill that would allow companies to force employees off the premises. I do understand the concern about employees simply using these days as extra vacation time. I get that. That is exactly why I think the businesses should also receive the right to send home employees who come in sick, even if its without pay. This would force employees to conserve these days for real emergencies.
Would you rather send an employee in poor health, who isnt on their A game, and could get your client or clients office sick, and also your office sick as well, so you can have more workers seeing clients ill?
That is what the part of the bill that would allow companies to force employees off the premises. I do understand the concern about employees simply using these days as extra vacation time. I get that. That is exactly why I think the businesses should also receive the right to send home employees who come in sick, even if its without pay. This would force employees to conserve these days for real emergencies.
Ohhh, yeah and what about the time they have to spend to go to court for a divorce, DUI, tickets not being paid (going to whatever office...) and using the sick days for their convenience which will happen if there isn't a person checking on them.
In Europe there is a special organisation checking on people who report sick and they have to be home...but that is also causing the sick days to be so expensive since the employer have to pay this organisation and this is all paid by the government or better said...tax money coming from the employers so these sick days will be very expensive and Obama loves Europes socialism so he will sooner than later follow their pattern with this...mind my words!
Ohhh, yeah and what about the time they have to spend to go to court for a divorce, DUI, tickets not being paid (going to whatever office...) and using the sick days for their convenience which will happen if there isn't a person checking on them.
In Europe there is a special organisation checking on people who report sick and they have to be home...but that is also causing the sick days to be so expensive since the employer have to pay this organisation and this is all paid by the government or better said...tax money coming from the employers so these sick days will be very expensive and Obama loves Europes socialism so he will sooner than later follow their pattern with this...mind my words!
You dont need anyone to watch them. Not being paid will be enough motivation to keep them in line, I promise you that. If a person has the knowledge that their company can, and will send them home if they are sick, regardless of their sick time balance, they will have motivation to reserve their days for being sick, rather then playing hookie.
How about we have Obama change it from a "sick day" to a "personal day"? Is there anyone out there who just started a hourly job within the past 90 days who can state in this thread about how (and when) personal time is paid per their employee manual? My previous job (FT-hourly) stated that no holidays & no personal time will be paid until 6 months have been completed. My current (salaried) position gave 5 personal days on day one.
I don't think the government has any role in this..
Then again, I don't believe in: minimum wage, equal opportunity, etc.
Nothing like going back to early 1900's slave wage based industrialism, only implemented in the age of Walmart.
Then again, working for .20 an hour under economic duress and giving the capitalist an extra $6.35 an hour is good for everyone. We can have lots of shanty towns, rioting, and labor violence just like in the early 1900's as well. It will be a great party.
After that, we can put back up the poll tax, and literacy tax, restrict all working men from voting, and we then we can elect Grover Cleveland II and use the federal government to punish strikers and protesters. Joy.
You dont need anyone to watch them. Not being paid will be enough motivation to keep them in line, I promise you that. If a person has the knowledge that their company can, and will send them home if they are sick, regardless of their sick time balance, they will have motivation to reserve their days for being sick, rather then playing hookie.
So we agree? unpaid sick days...although it isn't nice for real sick people, will be the best to keep in todays economy...
I have been on both sides ...as an employee and as an employer and I know how it works.
In Europe they had to change it to whenever you didn't report sick in a year you would get 5 extra paid days but if you reported sick you would loose 2 days the first time, 1 day the second, etc...this was on top of the starting amount of 25 paid days of a year....so just in case you wonder why the socialistic system is so expensive and people have a hard time making money as a small business person, you starting to find out....
In Europe they had to change it to whenever you didn't report sick in a year you would get 5 extra paid days but if you reported sick you would loose 2 days the first time, 1 day the second, etc...this was on top of the starting amount of 25 paid days of a year....so just in case you wonder why the socialistic system is so expensive and people have a hard time making money as a small business person, you starting to find out....
Oh, is that so? Everywhere in Europe? And what is this so-called special organization that checks up on people who call in sick? None of this is true for Germany where I spent the better part of a decade. Why do you keep saying "In Europe..." as if it's all the same? Lots of different countries there all with their own laws.
Heck..in jobs that have sick days you see plenty of "sick" people coming to work.
Having paid sick days won't keep them home..it doesn't now for those that have it.
too late now, we have already opened the door to socialism. The government is printing checks and distributing money as "stimulus", Obama is running the printing press like it is going out of style...capitalism is dead so why not go with the socialist agenda? People should have almost guaranteed jobs like in France, I can then waltz into work and perform at 20% and still get paid, then I will also get my guaranteed sick days, and my guaranteed 1 month vacations etc. And then if I choose to quit my job I will get a fat unemployment check as well... What a life!
Compare that with what is happening today, I am busting my ass 9-5, my already atrocious taxes are going up, inflation is eating away at my savings that I worked so hard and sacrificed to build up and my salary is at risk of being reduced due to globalization!
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