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Old 06-22-2009, 09:11 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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All of my families clothes, electronics, kids toys, flatware ard appliances are foreign made. Just think thirty years ago we still made much of those items.
And it will not change. That is the reality. Americans need to get serious into education to be able to hold the jobs the US now needs and stop whinning about jobs leaving us. Whinning will not lead into anything so it is time for Americans to get off their butts and start getting prepared to handle the US demands for better jobs.

You have a great day.
El Amigo
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Old 06-22-2009, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Rockland County New York
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And it will not change. That is the reality. Americans need to get serious into education to be able to hold the jobs the US now needs and stop whinning about jobs leaving us. Whinning will not lead into anything so it is time for Americans to get off their butts and start getting prepared to handle the US demands for better jobs.

You have a great day.
El Amigo
You do the same mi amigo.
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Old 06-23-2009, 01:14 AM
 
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And it will not change. That is the reality. Americans need to get serious into education to be able to hold the jobs the US now needs and stop whinning about jobs leaving us. Whinning will not lead into anything so it is time for Americans to get off their butts and start getting prepared to handle the US demands for better jobs.

You have a great day.
El Amigo
What third world country are you from? What better jobs? Jobs that are in India, China, Mexico, etc? Or jobs that are in your head? According to this news report, American schools graduate 300,000 engineers and scientists a year. Industries only need 120,000 of them. There are qualified American workers to fill all labor need of industries, yet they are not being hired because greedy companies use cheap third world labor instead.




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Old 06-23-2009, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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in theory it does, but in practice the united states is importing more than exporting so overall it gives up more with globalization.
No it doesn't. Why would any country continue to trade with a partner that doesn't send equivalent value to them versus what they send to us?

It seems very few people understand that in reality there is no such thing as a trade deficit. There can only be a trade deficit if you measure goods and services exchanged but not capital. What we get in return for our so-called "trade imbalance" is a net inflow of foreign investment here, and that investment employs Americans and increases our buying power. A so-called trade surplus really means that we are investing surplus capital overseas with the expectation that it will get a higher rate of return elsewhere than it would here. It also means fewer foreigners are investing here based on the same expectation.

Attempts to reverse this flow of capital through trade barriers almost always fail because the flow of capital is self-correcting: fewer imports means fewer dollars flowing to foreign markets, which in turn raises the value of the dollar in international currency markets, which makes imports more attractive to American consumers and exports more expensive to foreign consumers, which means Americans will buy more imports and foreigners will buy fewer exports until the previous balance is restored and you're back to square one -- only now you've baked inflation into it.
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Old 06-23-2009, 06:53 AM
 
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i am not against the concept of free trade but we certainly do not have free trade. we have manipulation of free trade and that is the problem. i think ron paul sums it up best with this question and answer

Q: Will you abolish all plans to promote economic integration of North America?
A: Not only do I not want a North American Union, I want us out of the U.N., the IMF, the World Bank, the WTO, NAFTA and CAFTA. NAFTA has nothing to do for free trade. Itís a pretense to lower tariffs, but itís a reason to go talk to the WTO to raise tariffs. We need free trade. Thatís very, very important. But you don't get that by world government.
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Old 06-23-2009, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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In reality as technology improves there should be fewer, not more jobs. The problem is that the fewer jobs are not getting higher wages to compensate for the higher productivity but the extra income went to the unproductive top. Why were so many products domestically made till the 60's? Because the value of a dollar somewhat kept up with inflation and the US was holding the war debt of Europe. Once the US debt exploded through welfare, Medicare and needless wars like Vietnam, the monetary system collapsed. In the 70's we faced inflation of necessities and deflation of assets, similar to today. Luckily we had an electronics revolution in the 70's-80's and the information age that saved us in the 90's. Now there is no innovation, just consumption. The debt and spend scheme will fail this time.
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Old 06-23-2009, 08:49 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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What third world country are you from? What better jobs? Jobs that are in India, China, Mexico, etc? Or jobs that are in your head? According to this news report, American schools graduate 300,000 engineers and scientists a year. Industries only need 120,000 of them. There are qualified American workers to fill all labor need of industries, yet they are not being hired because greedy companies use cheap third world labor instead.




YouTube - Lou Dobbs: H1B visa scam hurts American college grads
I will not reply to your message for the simple reason that you now start using the type of personal comment like what third country I am from.
Also by the website you post, Lou Dobbs?

I can show my stats but we can go back and forth with numbers.
If you really wish to have an exchange, change your tone on me.

You have a great day.
El Amigo
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Old 06-23-2009, 11:32 AM
 
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i am not against the concept of free trade but we certainly do not have free trade. we have manipulation of free trade and that is the problem. i think ron paul sums it up best with this question and answer

Q: Will you abolish all plans to promote economic integration of North America?
A: Not only do I not want a North American Union, I want us out of the U.N., the IMF, the World Bank, the WTO, NAFTA and CAFTA. NAFTA has nothing to do for free trade. Itís a pretense to lower tariffs, but itís a reason to go talk to the WTO to raise tariffs. We need free trade. Thatís very, very important. But you don't get that by world government.
pat buchanan said this in the year 2000 and it is just as true today:

Debt forgiveness is a fancy phrase for shifting the total burden of defaulted debts off Third World regimes and onto the backs of American taxpayers. These loans are not being wiped off the books; they are being added to the US national debt. Before one dime in loan forgiveness is granted to any Third World government, the American people have a right to know who lost, who looted, and who stole the billions of dollars we are being asked to forgive. We need responsibility; we need a full accounting of how the generosity of the American people was criminally abused -- by incompetent or corrupt lending officers at the IMF and World Bank, and by the assorted dictators and thieves who stole or squandered the billions in aid intended for the peoples they misruled. We have a right to know the names of those who lost or stole the money, and to an accounting of any and all efforts to recover the looted billions.
Source: Press Release Apr 24, 2000

we STILL have a right to know and the money is STILL being looted through the IMF and these other government-negotiated world trade manipulations. anyone who suggests that we support the expansion of these organizations in the name of "free trade" is not looking out for the interests of americans.
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Old 06-23-2009, 11:54 AM
 
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No it doesn't. Why would any country continue to trade with a partner that doesn't send equivalent value to them versus what they send to us?

It seems very few people understand that in reality there is no such thing as a trade deficit. There can only be a trade deficit if you measure goods and services exchanged but not capital. What we get in return for our so-called "trade imbalance" is a net inflow of foreign investment here, and that investment employs Americans and increases our buying power. A so-called trade surplus really means that we are investing surplus capital overseas with the expectation that it will get a higher rate of return elsewhere than it would here. It also means fewer foreigners are investing here based on the same expectation.

Attempts to reverse this flow of capital through trade barriers almost always fail because the flow of capital is self-correcting: fewer imports means fewer dollars flowing to foreign markets, which in turn raises the value of the dollar in international currency markets, which makes imports more attractive to American consumers and exports more expensive to foreign consumers, which means Americans will buy more imports and foreigners will buy fewer exports until the previous balance is restored and you're back to square one -- only now you've baked inflation into it.
you can't talk about free trade when you have corrupt mechanisms in place to facilitate the trade. the discussion should be about modification of our so-called free trade.
it is just like the talk about "americans need to spend more" and everything will be fine again. clearly, that is a lie because the chinese, WHO WOULD BE THE BIGGEST BENEFICIARIES OF OUR SPENDING iF THIS WAS TRUE, are telling us to knock it off!
bad trade agreements create the world imbalance.
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Old 06-23-2009, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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What imbalance? Do you see it as a problem that China still invests way more capital in the U.S. than the other way around? I don't. I see it as a sign that the U.S. is still a far more attractive place to do business. And that won't change no matter how you try to manipulate the so-called "imbalance" of trade.
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