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Old 05-17-2017, 02:49 AM
 
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Really? I'm not sure why you are putting a political spin on this when the most high profile cases of gentrification are happening in democrat run cities.

The problem I have with gentrification is that it is sort of like polishing a turd. You get the poor out of an area, tear down the dilapidated buildings and build new higher scale townhomes and condos. The poor folks who were just kicked out just go to another part of the city because the underlying issues haven't been addressed.
That is a little harsh. Everybody has to live somewhere, including tech workers, doctors, lawyers, middle managers, teachers, and other middle to upper-middle class people. Why should we have to move 50 miles out of town to avoid high crime rates and terrible schools? Gentrification is good. It is a manifestation of the economic progress or growth that everybody says they want.
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Old 05-17-2017, 04:08 AM
 
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Happiness surveys -- as well as those designed to assess levels of job satisfaction and company loyalty -- are designed to create a snapshot of the present. So are the techniques that produce GDP, CPI and employment data. Some understand these outputs, and some don't. It's the same with the history of unions and of Saturn.

And despite recent attempts at diversion and deflection, it of course remains true that a cooperative labor-management relationship is the pinnacle.
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Old 05-17-2017, 06:19 AM
 
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GDP and CPI are calculated from reliable sources with consistent methods. Hard data, actual numbers, cardinal numbers, quantities that can be measured. Happiness surveys boil down to how do you feel? These surveys collect anecdotal data at best and usually are not. "Point in time" is useful only when compared to other points in time. Or to other populations, cross sectionally-wise.

As far as cooperative blah blah blah, this is Sesame St. stuff. Merely asserting something is true or a pinnacle does not make it so.
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Old 05-17-2017, 06:39 AM
 
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GDP and CPI are calculated from reliable sources with consistent methods. Hard data, actual numbers, cardinal numbers, quantities that can be measured.
You should check in with those who are constantly complaining about "Owner Equivalent Rent," which is used in both the GDP and CPI calculations.

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Happiness surveys boil down to how do you feel?
You mean like the ones that show approval levels for the President to be at historic lows?

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As far as cooperative blah blah blah, this is Sesame St. stuff. Merely asserting something is true or a pinnacle does not make it so.
The facts do, but as you've previously noted, you're not really familiar with the facts here.
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Old 05-17-2017, 06:40 AM
 
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The problem I have with gentrification is that it is sort of like polishing a turd.
As in HOW it tends to get done and not the overall idea?
Yeah; I'll go along with that.

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The poor folks who were just kicked out just go to another part of the city...
because the underlying issues haven't been addressed.
The terms "poor" and "kicked out" aside...
the government program role in these plans needs to start with the displaced.

But yes, just shifting that population from one zip code in that city to another...
will never actually solve the overall problem. It just puts lipstick on a pig.
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:15 AM
 
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A two-party, market-based relationship between a landlord and a tenant is not the only possible pattern.
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