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Old 02-08-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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I have yet to meet a PMP person who could manage their way out of a wet paper bag. That said, it is a good box to check. Just understand, that having it doesn't mean you know how to manage a project.
Before I begin, I must say I love dsnellen's comment.

Now, this answer is tricky. Personally, I see most if not all certifications and even degrees as being false measuring sticks of one's potential. There are few "professions" where education and certification matters. I got my MS Science in Management (MIS) along with continual training each year (when training money was abundant) only to be told that I needed the PMP. I sat through those 7 courses for my IT PMP plaque and they were a joke. So, I decided against the rigors of studying more time and hours as I was miffed that my years spent at a highly accredited university getting a Master's degree was considered second-rate to a PMP. I felt like a horse chasing the carrot; thankfully, I didn't have to pay for those courses - they were a total joke. Prime example of how they make money is they keep rolling out these different development "paths", first it was waterfall, then RAD, now Agile. You take these 1 week crash courses just to be taught something that you probably learned in college or that made common sense to you 5 years ago and you were told it wasn't practical because some "expert" hadn't thought of it, yet. They come up with cute little terms like SCRUM which is just another means of reporting what you've done on a daily basis but without all of the digression and cutesy "did you see the game yesterday" filler. In other words, SCRUM is just "say what you gotta say and don't waste my time with a one hour meeting that we can have in 15 minutes." They create these cute terms and names to suck you in and make you think you are learning something cutting edge, but all this stuff is is practical stuff that you already know but was too conditioned to introduce on your own.

The flip-side, however, is that our society is based on "The Wizard of Oz" principle, meaning you don't have a brain unless a Wizard who controls all the buttons gives you a piece of paper saying you have one (or a heart, or courage). You gotta pay the toll to cross the bridge. With so many people out of work, it's one of the ways the government makes money, and universities make money. It's a way to filter out candidates and compete for jobs - even though you will more than likely have to go through OJT when you get the job. It's the next biggest scam next to telling people in order to live the American dream you have to have a house with a white picket fence and a dog.

I still do PM work, and I can say that I don't see any difference in where my degree or someone's PM certification is better or worse. It comes down to personalities. There are times when I'm around certain personalities and someone else may be a better fit for the project or I'm around another dynamic of individuals and I'm the better fit. It boils down to can you lead, can you facilitiate meetings, can you track and manage budgets, people, time, and negotiate for resources. Since I have job security, I figure as though I am not going to continually chase a piece of paper, but I can do that because of job security. If your job security is low, you may have to - unfortunately - get the credentials. I had a friend who was a great telecommunications specialist/PM. But, when the telecom industry went under in late 90s or early 2000s, he hasn't been able to get back into the field or make a comparable transition since. He got most of his telecommunications experience in the military and doesn't have any post High School "credentials" and that could be a factor in him not getting back to where he was (that and location). Again, you gotta pay the toll to cross the bridge.
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:50 AM
 
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Before I begin, I must say I love dsnellen's comment.

Now, this answer is tricky. Personally, I see most if not all certifications and even degrees as being false measuring sticks of one's potential.
Good post, ajsmithxxxx. You liken it to The Wizard of Oz; I liken it to the snake oil salesmen of the past.

Whatever the analogy, someone tries to baffle someone else with fancy words and phrases, and charges a high fee to make it look like tangible benefits will accrue. Rarely does it.

Corporate management "training" seems to be the worst offender what with their Six Sigma, Blue Ocean Strategy, The Learning Organisation, and etc. ad nauseum.

I got off their gravy train a long time ago.

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Old 02-10-2012, 01:12 AM
 
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They come up with cute little terms like SCRUM which is just another means of reporting what you've done on a daily basis but without all of the digression and cutesy "did you see the game yesterday" filler. In other words, SCRUM is just "say what you gotta say and don't waste my time with a one hour meeting that we can have in 15 minutes."
Man, "Scrum" takes me back. I'm glad that lasted as long as a "sprint", lol. It made the early 2000's such a waste of time.
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