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Oh, by the way. If I was not qualified as you incorrectly concluded I would not have so many business cards of industry companies that I have dealt with that told me that when I get out of the service to give them a call to run their businesses and work for them as their managers.
You display quite a talent for blowing your own horn. Note too that these supposed qualifications of yours were gained while on the government payroll; you've benefitted by our tax money and then have the gall to lecture us on the free market and what we need to get ahead.
You still haven't explained my faulty logic.
You've been enjoying steady government wages, benefits and job security. As such you're not qualified to climb on a high horse and lecture those that have been out there struggling in the market despite your story about engineers who can't improvise a plumb bob; I story I don't believe for one minute having heard it many times from others. That you worked in the private market 30 years ago or whatever it was gives you little sense of what it's like out there today.
Last edited by Irishtom29; 03-20-2010 at 07:51 PM..
I believe in freedom to choose your life, not the government to control my economic life and not to take away from the fruits of my labor to give it to others.
An ironic statement from one who made his living as a government worker with wages paid by taxes---the fruits of the labor of others.
I think one problem with politics and economics is that many people (on both the Right and Left) are looking for "always" solutions and this leads to inflexible thinking and political and economic logjams.
I think what you are getting at is this: In reality, "always" is NEVER the case!
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I not only saw the results of other economic systems but also talked to people that lived under those systems.
I wasn't there with you so I don't know what you actually saw and did, but I'd venture a guess that you were unable to isolate the economic system from the political system. What you likely saw and heard was a combination of economics AND politics It's hard to separate the two. Wether it's capitalism or socialism, there tends to be a FEW at the top living very high off the hog, at the expense of everyone else. It doesn't matter wether the politicians lean left or right, when you have them on your payroll.
The talking heads keep saying it's the small businesses that are going to bring this country back. Since their customer base has been loosing ground for the last 30 years I seriously doubt that will ever happen. That is unless they switch to selling only high end items marketed to the very rich, or open a dollar store.
Unless the average pay for the average worker increases to a level where they have enough for the essentials they need to live, (food, clothing, shelter) plus enough left over for things they don't need, but want to have, the economy will never recover.
I assume they want you as a trumpet player, you display quite a talent for blowing your own horn.
You still haven't explained my faulty logic.
I only replied to your comment as if I being in the military makes you think I am not qualified to comment on economics, business, etc. Again, you used another fallacy.
So now that you have made two fallacious comments, I will reply to your request. A starting point is to look under Fallacy in the wikipedia. Read it and see if you can identify them.
I not only saw the results of other economic systems but also talked to people that lived under those systems.
I wasn't there with you so I don't know what you actually saw and did, but I'd venture a guess that you were unable to isolate the economic system from the political system. What you likely saw and heard was a combination of economics AND politics It's hard to separate the two. Wether it's capitalism or socialism, there tends to be a FEW at the top living very high off the hog, at the expense of everyone else. It doesn't matter wether the politicians lean left or right, when you have them on your payroll.
I realize there is a difference between an economic and political systems. There can be different combinations of both. I agree there can be a few at the top and that pretty much has existed under any system in history.
The view I believe is that in my opinion capitalism seems to have the upper hand, not perfect I must say. It has its flaws and could be better.
An ironic statement from one who made his living as a government worker with wages paid by taxes---the fruits of the labor of others.
Again, another fallacious comment. I did not sit down and simply get taxpayer money. I did work.
It is interesting how people respond when someone states a difference of opinion and start to make comments on the person and downgrading instead of simply staying on the subject instead of on the person.
You the taxpers paid me for a type of labor and I did my part. You seem to spin that around now. That has nothing to do with the subject in discussion i.e. Who's Really Poor in America. Why not refute my points by letting me know where I am wrong instead of commenting on me. That is a little to childish. Come on.
it is sad that the end result of this is that all working americans (past and present) now turn on each other when they should be turning on the government- which allowed the offshoring of american jobs, the importation of cheap labor while they looked the other way and did not enforce the laws, the wall street looting while they looked the other way and did not enforce the laws, the currency manipulation by japan, and THEN the bailing out of the banksters on wall street and the massive bonuses to boot.
Im not really turning on other people, Im turning on the system that allowed them to take advantage of it.
I would never fault anyone for making the best of a situation. A rich capitalist is a rich capitalist, because he was able to take advantage of the system. Sure, do I think hes an ass personally for not paying his employees more of the cut? Yeah, but then again, the system is set up so that his employees become a commodity rather then human beings with families to take care of. If he doesnt pay his employees dirt, someone else will, and they will undercut his pricing model as a result.
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