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Old 03-22-2010, 07:12 PM
 
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Last time I checked we still live in a free country where individual choices are respected, who the hell is the government to force me to buy health coverage or pay fines? If I choose not to buy health coverage then it is MY wish.

Thankfully the constitutionality of this is being challenged:

FOXNews.com - Health Care Reform Fight Shifts From Congress to the Courts

If we don't challenge this then what is next? Government forcing everyone to submit to drug tests every 6 months? Or maybe they will fine people for consuming Hamburgers because they are unhealthy...
Next is new jobs for 26,500 people to work for the IRS to look if you pay for health care and Obama probably asking neighbors to look out and have their ears open to report on neighbors who don't have health care...like the KGB!

After the 26,500 IRS jobs, comes the lay off of thousands of W2 workers who are out of a job since small business people can't afford this health bill and prizes going up in stores so other business owners can pay for health care, so in the end we all are losing out and Obama isn't paying a dime, he will write a book and get a book deal and puts his money off shore or a deal like he did with Rezko...you know the guy who is in prison now...
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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Last time I checked we still live in a free country where individual choices are respected, who the hell is the government to force me to buy health coverage or pay fines? If I choose not to buy health coverage then it is MY wish.

Thankfully the constitutionality of this is being challenged:

FOXNews.com - Health Care Reform Fight Shifts From Congress to the Courts

If we don't challenge this then what is next? Government forcing everyone to submit to drug tests every 6 months? Or maybe they will fine people for consuming Hamburgers because they are unhealthy...
Oh goody!
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:22 PM
 
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Oh goody! The fringe checks in now!
The "fringe" passed this.
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Lyons, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Default Listen up

The new law will work and I would like to tell you why. I work as an ER ICU Nurse. I have worked in 24 states. Over 70% of the people we see in the ER and treat for a long time in the ICU have no insurance.

The new law will save billions. Here is why.

-70% of all people coming to the ER/ICU have no insurance and their care is the most costly. These people now will have a doctor who will treat them in the office and get their diseases under control. This will reduce their use of the ER as their primary care. They MUST do this. If they come to an ER without an MD they will be given one who will follow them.

-Nearly all of the long term ICU patients are those who have not taken care of themselves. Over time this law will improve the health of these people thereby avoiding the long >10 day stays in the ICU

-Children will have primary care pediatricians who will be able to treat kids with expensive illnesses in their office thereby reducing crisis visits to the ER.

-All people regardless of ability to pay will have a doctor. Nearly 80% of visits to ER's in major cities are people who don't have jobs. Again, using MD office will reduce the stay and prevent ER visits again saving huge $.

-The law over time will improve the health of the people of this country. We will be stronger, more healthy and perhaps even again believe in our country.

Socialism? A label used by people who don't understand the reality of the road. Yesterday I took care of 17 people 15 of which had no doctor. You don't think this law is progress?
Get with it, believe me I am on the front lines. You can sit in your comfy chair and say all you want and if you do and still criticize this I say to you..........

"You're obsolete my baby, my poor old fashioned baby I said Baby Baby Baby you're out of time".

Rolling Stones.
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Next is new jobs for 26,500 people to work for the IRS to look if you pay for health care and Obama probably asking neighbors to look out and have their ears open to report on neighbors who don't have health care...like the KGB!

After the 26,500 IRS jobs, comes the lay off of thousands of W2 workers who are out of a job since small business people can't afford this health bill and prizes going up in stores so other business owners can pay for health care, so in the end we all are losing out and Obama isn't paying a dime, he will write a book and get a book deal and puts his money off shore or a deal like he did with Rezko...you know the guy who is in prison now...
Small business people can't afford health care under the current system, especially if there are any pre-existing conditions. I don't see how this can make things worse for individuals and small businesses - am I missing something?
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:39 PM
 
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It won't matter. A lot of them don't go to a primary physician since they get docked pay if they miss time. The only time they seek medical help is when their primary physician doesn't keep hours. They'll go to urgent care or to an emergency room. On the last several times I visited the local emergency room, I saw someone on the phone to Medicaid to get approval for their child.
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:44 PM
 
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The new law will work and I would like to tell you why. I work as an ER ICU Nurse. I have worked in 24 states. Over 70% of the people we see in the ER and treat for a long time in the ICU have no insurance.

The new law will save billions. Here is why.

-70% of all people coming to the ER/ICU have no insurance and their care is the most costly. These people now will have a doctor who will treat them in the office and get their diseases under control. This will reduce their use of the ER as their primary care. They MUST do this. If they come to an ER without an MD they will be given one who will follow them.

-Nearly all of the long term ICU patients are those who have not taken care of themselves. Over time this law will improve the health of these people thereby avoiding the long >10 day stays in the ICU

-Children will have primary care pediatricians who will be able to treat kids with expensive illnesses in their office thereby reducing crisis visits to the ER.

-All people regardless of ability to pay will have a doctor. Nearly 80% of visits to ER's in major cities are people who don't have jobs. Again, using MD office will reduce the stay and prevent ER visits again saving huge $.

-The law over time will improve the health of the people of this country. We will be stronger, more healthy and perhaps even again believe in our country.

Socialism? A label used by people who don't understand the reality of the road. Yesterday I took care of 17 people 15 of which had no doctor. You don't think this law is progress?
Get with it, believe me I am on the front lines. You can sit in your comfy chair and say all you want and if you do and still criticize this I say to you..........

"You're obsolete my baby, my poor old fashioned baby I said Baby Baby Baby you're out of time".

Rolling Stones.
Save billions at the expense of.....?
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:47 PM
 
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Small business people can't afford health care under the current system, especially if there are any pre-existing conditions. I don't see how this can make things worse for individuals and small businesses - am I missing something?
You're not missing anything. My full timers will become part timers.
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Old 03-22-2010, 08:31 PM
 
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AADA - I hope you are right.... The bill is so convoluted to me, that I don't think anyone can foresee true repurcussions, good and bad.

yes, I am predicting MORE part timers as well as I have heard comments from small businesses in this regards. This has been modus operandi in retail for about a decade now anyway. Just one full time mgr and asst mgr.
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Boise, ID
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Originally Posted by AADAD View Post
The new law will work and I would like to tell you why. I work as an ER ICU Nurse. I have worked in 24 states. Over 70% of the people we see in the ER and treat for a long time in the ICU have no insurance.

The new law will save billions. Here is why.

-70% of all people coming to the ER/ICU have no insurance and their care is the most costly. These people now will have a doctor who will treat them in the office and get their diseases under control. This will reduce their use of the ER as their primary care. They MUST do this. If they come to an ER without an MD they will be given one who will follow them.

-Nearly all of the long term ICU patients are those who have not taken care of themselves. Over time this law will improve the health of these people thereby avoiding the long >10 day stays in the ICU

-Children will have primary care pediatricians who will be able to treat kids with expensive illnesses in their office thereby reducing crisis visits to the ER.

-All people regardless of ability to pay will have a doctor. Nearly 80% of visits to ER's in major cities are people who don't have jobs. Again, using MD office will reduce the stay and prevent ER visits again saving huge $.

-The law over time will improve the health of the people of this country. We will be stronger, more healthy and perhaps even again believe in our country.

Socialism? A label used by people who don't understand the reality of the road. Yesterday I took care of 17 people 15 of which had no doctor. You don't think this law is progress?
Get with it, believe me I am on the front lines. You can sit in your comfy chair and say all you want and if you do and still criticize this I say to you..........

"You're obsolete my baby, my poor old fashioned baby I said Baby Baby Baby you're out of time".

Rolling Stones.
I can't really argue with your post. You might be right on all counts.

Too bad the bill isn't Constitutional.
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