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Old 05-01-2010, 08:02 PM
 
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I disagree. They say because an individual Movie Star have a certain appeal and charisma this encourages people to choose going to the movie as their choice of leisure activity. Because someone like Julia Roberts is in a movie investors will fund the show and thousands of people are employed as a result. If she did not exist the movie would not be made and the people would not be employed. If the industry could not find the next Julia Roberts the movie industry will falter.

It is much the same in the business world. If new very talented business leaders do not appear in the future our economy will fail. We need leaders in all fields to make America strong. Worker Bees are important but they can be found under every tree.
But the analogy breaks down for movie "stars" IMHO.

The PC business was built up from nothing by entrepreneurs like Bill Hewlett, Dave Packard, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, Bill Allen, Scott McNealy, Marc Andreeson, and etc. Julia Roberts did not build up the movie industry. It existed before her, and will exist after she leaves the scene (pun intended). The movie industry made her; she did not make the movie industry. There are younger, prettier, and better actresses than her up-and-coming. She will soon be forgotten. No entrepreneur is she.

If you want to pick entrepreneurs who made the film industry what it is, choose people like Louis Mayer, Marcus Loew, Cecil B. DeMille, John Scorsese, and etc. Choose the directors, producers and money men who made the "stars". If there had been no Julia Roberts to star opposite Richard Gere in "Pretty Woman", they would have chosen someone else (probably better-looking, and with a smaller mouth).
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Old 05-01-2010, 09:41 PM
 
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I read an interesting article about our business world and economy recently. It said that without an elite group of Americans who have incredible intellectual, create and business skills we would be living in a Third World type financial existence. 99% of American workers are basically grunts who just do the same routine tasks over and over and over every day. These grunts (which I am one!) are the backbone of our society. But without the unique talent of certain key members of our society (10,000 elites) who bring incredible talent to business, medicine, research, the creative arts and education, America would be no where. It takes a person with the wisdom and creativity like Steve Jobs to create and maintain Silicon Valley. Or because Julia Roberts was born and got into the movies, billions of dollars were spent by movie makers creating thousands of jobs.

The average grunt worker is important but not as key to our society and economy as the 10,000 elites. If they were not born and did not exist we may be living like the people in Africa. Agree or disagree?
I completely agree!

I'm not one of the 10,000 either, but I do agree.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:42 PM
 
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USA is soon to be 3rd world country with largest military. Good Job!!! Seems all the humans elites are good for is to lead us to mass suicide. I have a hunch that TS wanted to but didn't mention something like "10,000 of elite rightfully deserve 99% of wealth, land, money, resources, etc.." This kind of inferiority elitism is sickening. If anything is wrong with human race it's hierarchy holding "grunt" working and down. I have no doubt that Earth will not stop spinning (and mankind as a biological specie will have greater chances for survival) without 10,000 who supposedly keep lesser us on their mighty shoulders.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:58 PM
 
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The problem with the future of mankind is the birth rates between intellects and idiots. It's pointed out in the comedy Idiocracy. The intellects will wait until they are financially stable and mentally ready to have maybe 1-3 children. The idiots can't even afford to pay rent yet they pop out babies like crazy. These idiot babies outnumber the intelligent babies and are taught by their idiot parents. The pattern continues and eventually the world will be full of idiots and every country will be a 3rd world country. This is a huge exaggeration, but it's meant to paint an illustration.
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Old 05-02-2010, 06:28 AM
 
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That may be true but to tolerate most jobs that need to be done in the world you have to be an idiot. Bill Gates is not going to clean XX out of a toilet all day. Most jobs are done by grunts not elites!


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The problem with the future of mankind is the birth rates between intellects and idiots. It's pointed out in the comedy Idiocracy. The intellects will wait until they are financially stable and mentally ready to have maybe 1-3 children. The idiots can't even afford to pay rent yet they pop out babies like crazy. These idiot babies outnumber the intelligent babies and are taught by their idiot parents. The pattern continues and eventually the world will be full of idiots and every country will be a 3rd world country. This is a huge exaggeration, but it's meant to paint an illustration.
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Old 05-02-2010, 07:01 AM
 
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You have to wonder what the world would be like if it consisted of just the "elite" and no "grunts" whatsoever.

Imagine, if you will, if the top 10,000 people TQ mentioned were taken to a virgin, Earth-like world filled with all sorts of natural resources and given the chance to build a new society. With every single member of that new society being a genius or extremely talented in one way or another, exactly what kind of society would arise from this group? Who would do the "grunt work"? Would there be an unequal distribution of wealth, with the "elite of elites" forming? Or would those people be smart enough to realize that they're all equally human, and strive to form an egalitarian society, sharing out the "good" and "bad" jobs equally?

Or how about this scenario: A virus gets released into the general population that makes everyone as smart as Einstein, and I do mean everyone. Imagine all the "dirty" jobs that folks wouldn't be willing to do...LOL. Could society even function if these kinds of jobs were left undone?

I'd love more than anything for everyone making $12 or less an hour to go on strike for a month here in the US, just to see what would happen to overall society. Think of all the things that the low-wage people do in this nation, and what would happen if they didn't show up for work for a full month. People just might realize they play a more important role in society than previously thought. Or they might not, who knows?
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Old 05-02-2010, 07:09 AM
 
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Anybody ever read Atlas Shrugged?
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Old 05-03-2010, 09:00 PM
 
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It's true that the "Idea people" are what made this country great, but they were replaced by greedy self serving people that value wealth more than anything else. When they stopped treating their workers(grunts) as valuable assets and looked at them as disposable items they opened the door for government to step in to close the gap.
This is unfortunately true. What the Average Joe doesn't understand, though, is that government is not on his side, either. The Aveage Joe is viewed just as much as a disposable pawn by the liberal socialist elite as he is by the business elite.

The power shifts back and forth between 2 different factions of the elite, neither of which really cares about average people.

At least the Business elite doesn't pretend to care. The Socialist elite is the ultimate in hypocrisy, since they tend to care about average people but really just use them as pawns in their power games.
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Old 05-05-2010, 08:48 PM
 
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It's certainly clear that visionary inventors and researchers can help push technology forward, but beyond that, I doubt that many others are indispensable - even if they appear to "produce" a lot in economic terms.

For instance, do we actually need a highly-skilled hedge fund manager in order to "support" the economy?

Probably not. If we look back to other eras of scientific innovation (the 1950's and 60's, for instance), hedge funds weren't even part of the financial system.

So I would certainly be wary of certain people who might try to insinuate that they are indispensable just because they are wealthy.
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Old 05-06-2010, 12:02 AM
 
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I think a more accurate assessment is that 10,000 people dictate where the economy will go and whose choices far more influence our daily lives in drastic ways - whether for "good" or "bad". You'll have the entrepreneurs who truly do bring something to the table and make a significant difference in our standard of living; but there's also a lot of "money-pushers" in that 10,000 out there who simply allocate wealth as they see fit; not necessarily create or add to the wealth pie.

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