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Old 05-20-2010, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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If you see this as a depression rather than a recession then that unemployment is the new dole.
Maybe the administration should put them to work on public works jobs..similar to what FDR did so they feel like they are earning money.
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Old 05-20-2010, 09:12 PM
 
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I don't understand why people who do get unemployment, from day 1 don't get cracking on looking for new work or training and educating themselves for a different type of work. It seems like quite a few ride it as long as it goes and then on the last week go oops I need more unemployment or a job.
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Old 05-20-2010, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I don't understand why people who do get unemployment, from day 1 don't get cracking on looking for new work or training and educating themselves for a different type of work. It seems like quite a few ride it as long as it goes and then on the last week go oops I need more unemployment or a job.
Some do. I'm taking classes at my local CC and plenty of older looking folks there taking classes during the day no less so I assume they are retraining here..or taking the odd lunchtime class like me.

Others cannot afford the tuition. Heck...unemployment isn't enough for them to keep their current lifestyle..just look at how far behind mortgage payments are.

It would be nice if retraining in the schools were free to unemployed but alas it isn't and the cost here in Austin for a class at the CC is $115/credit and min is 3 credit class and the books, used, are near $100 a pop.
And the incidentals..mandatory fees/parking/etc.

Pretty penny if you are unemployed and getting a fraction of what you used to earn.

Reality is harsh my friend.
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Old 05-20-2010, 11:12 PM
 
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Some do. I'm taking classes at my local CC and plenty of older looking folks there taking classes during the day no less so I assume they are retraining here..or taking the odd lunchtime class like me.

Others cannot afford the tuition. Heck...unemployment isn't enough for them to keep their current lifestyle..just look at how far behind mortgage payments are.

It would be nice if retraining in the schools were free to unemployed but alas it isn't and the cost here in Austin for a class at the CC is $115/credit and min is 3 credit class and the books, used, are near $100 a pop.
And the incidentals..mandatory fees/parking/etc.

Pretty penny if you are unemployed and getting a fraction of what you used to earn.

Reality is harsh my friend.
Well I have been there twice in the past decade so I know the score.

It strikes me as odd having seen what I have that many people don't make an effort until it's too late
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Old 05-20-2010, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Speaking of throwing money away . . . .

How 'bout we dump the Wars-Wars-Wars . . . . FIRST?

How many years has THAT nonsense been going on?

Talk about welfare.

Cut it all. Shut down some of these bases we have in 100+ countries, quit bailing out bad companies, drastically reduce (or eliminate) our 3 main socialist programs (medicare, medicaid, and social security), get rid of the dept. of energy, reduce the dept of agriculture, cut the dept of education. Remove or drastically cut everything! Lets start with politicians salaries and benefits...Maybe they won't be so interested in being a "career politician," if they are being paid like the average American. Then holding public office can go back to what it was intended to be, a person willing to take time out of their private sector life to help out the country.
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Old 05-21-2010, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well I have been there twice in the past decade so I know the score.

It strikes me as odd having seen what I have that many people don't make an effort until it's too late
Many don't think it could happen to them.

Me..I still have a job but it's in software so I know the score..here today, outsourced tomorrow.
The classes I'm taking are for self-retraining. My Plan B.
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:10 AM
 
Location: Northeast PA
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Welfare... you mean taking money, by the way of taxes, out of my pocket and putting it in someone else's?

Anything you get from government is Welfare, no matter what you call it. So in the long run, unemployment is welfare from the first check to the last. It really doesn't matter. It came from tax money.

And, yes, I think Social Security is a form of welfare. When my husband retired in 1995, we got a printout of all that he had paid in. By the end of 8 months, he had received all of that amount back. That means that someone else has paid out enough in payroll tax to pay his way for about 15 years. If I hadn't earned my own check, we would get half of his amount as my share. If that isn't living in another person's wallet, I don't know what is.
The military falls under the govt. I guess their pay is to be considered welfare as well. And many of them work as hard if not harder than the private sector civilians.

Talk about painting with broad strokes. Do you give the "free market" private sector a complete pass on their welfare whoring ? LOL. Lets instead hoot and holler about the UC benefits.

Corporate welfare and tax breaks to the corporate elite are costing us far more than UC. Our support of Israel and the bogus wars on terra and drugs have cost us well over a Trillion dollars. Lets get our priorities straight.
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Old 05-21-2010, 04:35 AM
 
Location: USA
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Welfare? In this economy? I think not.

I've seen estimates that we'd need to create nearly 24,000,000 jobs to be back at full employment (~3%). As John McCain said in his campaign run, there are a lot of jobs that were lost & will never be coming back. A lot of the long-term unemployed will never work again. We could drastically reduce unemployment if we did several things. Start by kicking out all illegals. Bring back our manufacturing base and outsourced IT jobs from slave labor countries. End all H1-B visa programs. Get people to work via public works projects to repair our aging infrastructure.
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Old 05-21-2010, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Way South of the Volvo Line
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Give me a break! Where does all this drivel about unemployment benefits being " welfare" come from? One has to WORK to get unemployment benefits. There are fraudulent cases that bilk the system, yes. but most claimants have worked for some time and their own tax money and their employers' UI premium contributions fund the system. The program is generally run like insurance claims, the claimant establishing a job loss, the program's state administration determining how much in funds is available based on the claimant's previous payroll specific contributions. It is not random money thrown at people. Most states are structured so that the claimant must search for work on a documented, predictable frequency or enroll in pre-approved education. The severity of the enforcement for job searching is respective to the various states' administration procedures.

The UI system is designed to help previously employed people get a leg up during a hard time of loss. I know, I have been there. These are people who before their job loss had ordered, productive lives with mortgage payments, dependent children, and regular bill and service payments. Without this system to offer temporary help you would have a ballooning of the real welfare system, food stamps, human services, etc. and services and retailers that depended on their dime would be looking for a hand-out too.
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:46 AM
 
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Welfare isn't getting a check for doing a job. The servicemen and women get paid (but not enough for the job they do) for doing something that no one else will do. Welfare is for those that need help in one way or another.

Yes, we have all paid into the unemployment pot, but "our" money wasn't put into a neat little file to be used just for "us" if we needed it. It was paid out to other people. If we need unemployment, we will use someone else's money. We also didn't agree to have it deducted from our paycheck anymore than we agree to have income taxes deducted. The Government makes all those decisions. Your money pays for my unemployment/welfare. I don't have to do a thing except apply.

Now, Unemployment payments are a great thing. So are food stamps, medicare and medicaid, social security, etc. We need these resources. It's just that refusing to see that it's the same thing as welfare that gets me. We put in the pot, the government takes it out, and spreads it around. The government says who does or does not get it.

We need unemployment payments, but we need to recognise that it's not government money. It didn't come from a clear blue sky. It came from other working taxpayers. Calling it by another name may make recieving it easier, but it doesn't change the source.
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