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Old 05-21-2010, 07:14 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Cut it all. Shut down some of these bases we have in 100+ countries, quit bailing out bad companies, drastically reduce (or eliminate) our 3 main socialist programs (medicare, medicaid, and social security), get rid of the dept. of energy, reduce the dept of agriculture, cut the dept of education. Remove or drastically cut everything! Lets start with politicians salaries and benefits...Maybe they won't be so interested in being a "career politician," if they are being paid like the average American. Then holding public office can go back to what it was intended to be, a person willing to take time out of their private sector life to help out the country.
I like the way you think! Reps to you
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:19 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Give me a break! Where does all this drivel about unemployment benefits being " welfare" come from? One has to WORK to get unemployment benefits. There are fraudulent cases that bilk the system, yes. but most claimants have worked for some time and their own tax money and their employers' UI premium contributions fund the system. The program is generally run like insurance claims, the claimant establishing a job loss, the program's state administration determining how much in funds is available based on the claimant's previous payroll specific contributions. It is not random money thrown at people. Most states are structured so that the claimant must search for work on a documented, predictable frequency or enroll in pre-approved education. The severity of the enforcement for job searching is respective to the various states' administration procedures.

The UI system is designed to help previously employed people get a leg up during a hard time of loss. I know, I have been there. These are people who before their job loss had ordered, productive lives with mortgage payments, dependent children, and regular bill and service payments. Without this system to offer temporary help you would have a ballooning of the real welfare system, food stamps, human services, etc. and services and retailers that depended on their dime would be looking for a hand-out too.

You obviously did not read the post. The discussion is about "extended unemployment benefits" which are a Federal subsidy and not the States unemployment insurance. By the way with 40 million people on food stamps it is hard to say it is not ballooning.
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Sputnik Planitia
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Then holding public office can go back to what it was intended to be, a person willing to take time out of their private sector life to help out the country.
There is one such person Peter Schiff

Homepage | Peter Schiff for Senate 2010

yes, the guy can be a little bit radical at times but overall his policies are sound. He wants to cut big government, allow bad betting companies to fail and wants a strong currency.

I absoutely do not understand the American public when they keep re-electing miserable failures again and again and reject people with new approaches like Peter Schiff.
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:27 PM
 
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There is one such person Peter Schiff

Homepage | Peter Schiff for Senate 2010

yes, the guy can be a little bit radical at times but overall his policies are sound. He wants to cut big government, allow bad betting companies to fail and wants a strong currency.

I absoutely do not understand the American public when they keep re-electing miserable failures again and again and reject people with new approaches like Peter Schiff.
bale002 sums it up pretty well with his post, which describes a huge number of people these days.

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Some one made a good point about wasteful wars.

But, I wonder, if it is demonstrated that - through the disastrous credit and housing policies of the past ten years or so, among other blunders like transportation policy (main reason for foreign oil wars) - the US economy has actually destroyed resources instead of adding value, wouldn't it have been better to focus on the country's agricultural prowess, build simple barracks for deadbeats, feed them, and keep them occupied with video games rather than to have wasted so many resources on energy-guzzling transportation and faux luxury housing to transport and house these same deadbeats for wasteful, make-work paper-pushing jobs?

A while ago they had bread and circus, maybe there was a good reason for it.
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Anything you get from government is Welfare, no matter what you call it. So in the long run, unemployment is welfare from the first check to the last. It really doesn't matter. It came from tax money.
Except that in the case of UE insurance the first 26 weeks is paid into by the employer - it's a dedicated insurance fund, so no, it's not all coming from "your tax pocket".

Btw, people receiving unemployment also pay taxes - welfare recipients don't, so which would you prefer?
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Old 05-21-2010, 04:06 PM
 
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And where does the employer get the money to put into this fund?

By charging the customer more for the goods or services. The customer is the tax payer. Even welfare people pay taxes everytime they buy something. It may not be called TAX on the cash receipt, but the cost of the goods includes enough to cover the supplier's tax.

This is what I am trying to get the posters to see......ANYTHING that the government, federal, state or local, pays, will come from money collected through taxes. It may have to sift through several levels, but it's from the tax payer's pocket.

If you are never unemployed, what happens to that money? You don't get it back. It goes into the pot to go into another person's pocket.
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:18 PM
 
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No, Disability - SSDI, SSI - became the new welfare a few years ago.
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Old 05-21-2010, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Home of the best seafood
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OP why don't go create jobs for us then since you know it all, and get back to me.
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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There is one such person Peter Schiff

Homepage | Peter Schiff for Senate 2010

yes, the guy can be a little bit radical at times but overall his policies are sound. He wants to cut big government, allow bad betting companies to fail and wants a strong currency.

I absoutely do not understand the American public when they keep re-electing miserable failures again and again and reject people with new approaches like Peter Schiff.
I'm a huge fan of Peter Schiff, I love the guy. I live in Nebraska and even though I've never even visited CT I have made multiple contributions to his campaign for the US senate seat. I love how he constantly says he wants one term to go fix the problem and go back to his great life in the private sector. It's awesome. Our country would be so much better off if we were only allowed to elect private citizens like him and made it illegal for politics to become a career..because it should be.
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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And where does the employer get the money to put into this fund?

By charging the customer more for the goods or services. The customer is the tax payer. Even welfare people pay taxes everytime they buy something. It may not be called TAX on the cash receipt, but the cost of the goods includes enough to cover the supplier's tax.

This is what I am trying to get the posters to see......ANYTHING that the government, federal, state or local, pays, will come from money collected through taxes. It may have to sift through several levels, but it's from the tax payer's pocket.

If you are never unemployed, what happens to that money? You don't get it back. It goes into the pot to go into another person's pocket.
No, you apparently failed Business 101, UE insurance, like SS & Medicare are part of what is known as the "loaded cost" of an employee.

Anyway, you're obviously a troll so don't know why I bother.
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