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Old 05-02-2015, 03:57 PM
 
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Alberta will long regret voting in an NDP government, if that's how things turn out on Tuesday. Problems with the economy etc. are largely international and outside of the control of any provincial government. But for some reason in these kinds of situations voters get desperate and they suddenly come to believe that socialism has all the answers. But really what can a socialist provincial government do other than clamping down on the people of the province and suck them dry through fees and taxes. Never in a million years could an NDP government create a social democratic state in Canada along the lines of Sweden, not at the federal or even provincial level. If the NDP wins, Alberta will become another Greece.
LOL at calling NDP socialist. All of the parties in Alberta have similar values and ideas at the moment. NDP is still in the centre of the spectrum like all the other parties. (Wildrose may be much further right). Albertans want less tuition increases, less education cuts, less health care cuts, and more jobs, all of which the NDP has promised. People are sick of the Conservatives and they want change. NDP is not a scary party and Notley is an intelligent and competant leader. NDP in Alberta with Notley as a leader is not "Socialist". I predict either a Conservative or NDP Minority which would be great because the province needs a minority government now.
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Old 05-02-2015, 06:28 PM
 
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I think the entire country would be in shock if the NDP made headway in Alberta! Notley has certainly made a big impression on everyone.
The one who will be the most shocked is Harper.
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Old 05-02-2015, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Vernon, British Columbia
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LOL at calling NDP socialist. All of the parties in Alberta have similar values and ideas at the moment. NDP is still in the centre of the spectrum like all the other parties. (Wildrose may be much further right). Albertans want less tuition increases, less education cuts, less health care cuts, and more jobs, all of which the NDP has promised. People are sick of the Conservatives and they want change. NDP is not a scary party and Notley is an intelligent and competant leader. NDP in Alberta with Notley as a leader is not "Socialist". I predict either a Conservative or NDP Minority which would be great because the province needs a minority government now.
You sound like a socialist because you seem to think that Alberta has been cutting education, health care, etc. Nothing could be further from the truth, and since the Conservatives have managed to have the most spendy government in the country I say it's high time that someone else take over. I don't care if it's the NDP or the Wildrose, but diapers and politicians (of all stripes) need to be changed frequently, and for the same reason.

The Alberta NDP will not be a disaster like they were here in BC, but even if they are, they will get sent to the dust bin for a couple of decades just like they were here in BC. That's why democracy works. The sky will not fall if an NDP government is elected. If they end up doing the crazy stuff the BC NDP did, they will get fired by the electorate, and the next government can fix the mess with no permanent damage happening.
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Old 05-02-2015, 07:24 PM
 
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You sound like a socialist because you seem to think that Alberta has been cutting education, health care, etc. Nothing could be further from the truth, and since the Conservatives have managed to have the most spendy government in the country I say it's high time that someone else take over. I don't care if it's the NDP or the Wildrose, but diapers and politicians (of all stripes) need to be changed frequently, and for the same reason.

The Alberta NDP will not be a disaster like they were here in BC, but even if they are, they will get sent to the dust bin for a couple of decades just like they were here in BC. That's why democracy works. The sky will not fall if an NDP government is elected. If they end up doing the crazy stuff the BC NDP did, they will get fired by the electorate, and the next government can fix the mess with no permanent damage happening.
I agree that in most things damage isn't permanent, but it can mess up a generation before it corrects itself.
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Old 05-02-2015, 07:32 PM
 
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You sound like a socialist because you seem to think that Alberta has been cutting education, health care, etc. Nothing could be further from the truth, and since the Conservatives have managed to have the most spendy government in the country I say it's high time that someone else take over. I don't care if it's the NDP or the Wildrose, but diapers and politicians (of all stripes) need to be changed frequently, and for the same reason.

The Alberta NDP will not be a disaster like they were here in BC, but even if they are, they will get sent to the dust bin for a couple of decades just like they were here in BC. That's why democracy works. The sky will not fall if an NDP government is elected. If they end up doing the crazy stuff the BC NDP did, they will get fired by the electorate, and the next government can fix the mess with no permanent damage happening.
There actually are cuts in health care and education. They are cutting on mental health services and are increasing tuition next year. For students like me, that's a big problem and a very important issue that needs attention.
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Old 05-02-2015, 09:01 PM
 
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There actually are cuts in health care and education. They are cutting on mental health services and are increasing tuition next year. For students like me, that's a big problem and a very important issue that needs attention.
It's not a cut if spending on health and education goes way up!
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Old 05-03-2015, 10:48 AM
 
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It's not a cut if spending on health and education goes way up!
Spending on health and education is being cut. Regarding education:
  • There were sweeping eliminations of programs at Alberta universities last year.
  • The university of Calgary is looking to increase tuition in all programs where tuition is higher for a similar program in another province. It's called a "market modifier".
  • The tuition increase cap may be removed. Essentially, students are being asked to pay for mismanaged provincial finances.
  • Non-teaching departments, such as HR, are expanding. Those positions and salaries far exceed what is required.
"Tuition increases in Alberta are generally tied to the rate of inflation, but market modifiers aim to address situations where institutions in the province are charging less for a program than comparable schools elsewhere in the country." link

"The cash-strapped provincial government is considering cutting — or outright eliminating — existing restrictions on Alberta tuition increases, Metro has learned.

Currently, tuition in the province is capped at the rate of inflation — this year’s allowed increase was a maximum of 2.2 per cent.

But multiple sources have said the government may allow for larger increases as it looks for ways to make Alberta’s post-secondary sector more financially sustainable, especially as the province stares down projected deficits of $7 billion this year and the next." link

Another problem with post secondary institutions in Alberta is the "sky palace" syndrome that we saw with Allison Redford. The president of the University of Calgary spent a few million on her own posh office.

"The University of Calgary's president is defending the decision to spend millions of dollars to renovate her office and the space used by other executives."

U of C head Elizabeth Cannon says $8.1M office upgrade needed - Calgary - CBC News
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Old 05-03-2015, 03:48 PM
 
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^ Exactly. Education is cash strapped, not because the government isn't funding it properly, but because salaries are sky high.
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Old 05-03-2015, 04:03 PM
 
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It's not a cut if spending on health and education goes way up!
Health cuts.

Alberta doctors and nurses react to Budget 2015’s deep health cuts | Globalnews.ca

Education cuts.

"Major cuts are expected at the University of Alberta (UofA), an institution that faced a huge gap in funding from the provincial government's budget this year."

University Of Alberta Cuts: More Announced By Institute's President
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Old 05-03-2015, 04:06 PM
 
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^ Exactly. Education is cash strapped, not because the government isn't funding it properly, but because salaries are sky high.
The problem is both a huge amount of money going to useless managers, $8.1 million for the office of the president and her executive offices, and extraneous departments (such as Talent Management), and cuts to post-secondary education. The University of Calgary is run like a huge corporation where the student seems to be given the last thought.
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