Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 08-27-2010, 04:54 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
37,794 posts, read 40,990,020 times
Reputation: 62169

Advertisements

"Like every Chinese child, Li Hanwei spent her schooldays memorising thousands of the intricate characters that make up the Chinese writing system. Yet aged just 21 and now a university student in Hong Kong, Li already finds that when she picks up a pen to write, the characters for words as simple as 'embarrassed' have slipped from her mind. Surveys indicate the phenomenon, dubbed "character amnesia", is widespread across China, causing young Chinese to fear for the future of their ancient writing system. Young Japanese people also report the problem, which is caused by the constant use of computers and mobile phones with alphabet-based input systems."

Full article here:

Wired youth forget how to write in China and Japan

I thought that in light of some posts I have read where American students are no longer being taught cursive writing, you might find this article interesting. I wonder if in the not too distant future, the power grids should go across the world, young people will have to grab an old person to help them communicate from a distance.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-27-2010, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
25,386 posts, read 35,520,614 times
Reputation: 14692
Quote:
Originally Posted by LauraC View Post
"Like every Chinese child, Li Hanwei spent her schooldays memorising thousands of the intricate characters that make up the Chinese writing system. Yet aged just 21 and now a university student in Hong Kong, Li already finds that when she picks up a pen to write, the characters for words as simple as 'embarrassed' have slipped from her mind. Surveys indicate the phenomenon, dubbed "character amnesia", is widespread across China, causing young Chinese to fear for the future of their ancient writing system. Young Japanese people also report the problem, which is caused by the constant use of computers and mobile phones with alphabet-based input systems."

Full article here:

Wired youth forget how to write in China and Japan

I thought that in light of some posts I have read where American students are no longer being taught cursive writing, you might find this article interesting. I wonder if in the not too distant future, the power grids should go across the world, young people will have to grab an old person to help them communicate from a distance.
If the power grids went down, and some predict they will, life will come to a stand still for those who can only use technology. It's imperitive that we preserve our knowledge base in a non tech form. This is my excuse for keeping every engineering book I ever bought, lol. I might need them if the lights go out.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2010, 09:10 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
8,868 posts, read 12,555,005 times
Reputation: 2604
I find this odd, as computers actually make the use of characters EASIER. My DD took HS Japanese through AP, and had a computer program (suggested by her teacher, IIUC) that enabled her to type the sounds of a Japanese word, then it would bring up a choice of kanji (characters) to match. It meant she could type a Japanese essay using kanji she hadn't memorized.

edit:

OIC. They are blaming precisely the software I mention above. You still need to recognize the Kanji to READ. This is no different from a westerner using a dictionary to check the spelling of an obscure word, AFAICT.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2010, 09:11 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
8,868 posts, read 12,555,005 times
Reputation: 2604
"If the power grids went down, and some predict they will, life will come to a stand still for those who can only use technology"

Solution - off grid solar. At least as long as you can maintain it.

Who predicts the power grids will go down, BTW?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2010, 09:12 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
8,868 posts, read 12,555,005 times
Reputation: 2604
"I thought that in light of some posts I have read where American students are no longer being taught cursive writing, you might find this article interesting. I wonder if in the not too distant future, the power grids should go across the world, young people will have to grab an old person to help them communicate from a distance."

When the power grids go down, will that somehow make block printing go away and leave cursive as the only form of writing?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2010, 09:57 AM
 
17,183 posts, read 22,898,350 times
Reputation: 17473
The pencil was *new* technology. So was the *ball point* pen. People thought that writing would mean that the oral tradition of memorizing history would be decimated. All technology changes the way we do things.

Interesting pdf file here (yes, I know it is satirical)

http://www.johnhanna.us/pdf/PencilRevolution.pdf

Dorothy
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-30-2010, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
2,991 posts, read 3,417,602 times
Reputation: 4944
Quote:
Originally Posted by brooklynborndad View Post
I find this odd, as computers actually make the use of characters EASIER. My DD took HS Japanese through AP, and had a computer program (suggested by her teacher, IIUC) that enabled her to type the sounds of a Japanese word, then it would bring up a choice of kanji (characters) to match. It meant she could type a Japanese essay using kanji she hadn't memorized.

edit:

OIC. They are blaming precisely the software I mention above. You still need to recognize the Kanji to READ. This is no different from a westerner using a dictionary to check the spelling of an obscure word, AFAICT.
You're getting the point wrong....

It's relatively easy to read/recognize Chinese (kanji) characters once you learned it, but hard to write/recall them from memory. This is the same reason why it's easy to recognize the Kreb's Cycle or the Glycolysis pathway when you see it, but difficult to write each step down on paper from memory.

To write Chinese on computers or phones requires typing in phonetic letters not Chinese characters (or else that would be one big keyboard), so one gets out of practice in actually writing the characters.

Basically, recognition requires a lot less raw memory than recall. The recall task becomes all the larger when it involves multiple steps separate from phonological cues.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-30-2010, 11:40 PM
 
Location: The High Seas
7,372 posts, read 16,007,664 times
Reputation: 11867
People can have widely different long-term memories and retrieval capacity. It's not surprising that, given thousands of characters to remember, people with less effective long-term memories will sometimes have a hard time remembering certain characters.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-30-2010, 11:50 PM
f_m
 
2,289 posts, read 8,367,255 times
Reputation: 878
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivorytickler View Post
If the power grids went down, and some predict they will, life will come to a stand still for those who can only use technology. It's imperitive that we preserve our knowledge base in a non tech form. This is my excuse for keeping every engineering book I ever bought, lol. I might need them if the lights go out.
It's funny that I was reading that Keanu Reeves likes to use a typewriter to write letters, and he doesn't use computers. Sort of antithetical in comparison to his fanbase and the futuristic types of movies he makes.

As far as the Chinese and Japanese students, yes, without constant practice it's something that will go away because there are thousands of characters that would need to be memorized to be able to write them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-31-2010, 12:09 AM
 
Location: state of procrastination
3,485 posts, read 7,308,235 times
Reputation: 2913
I am sure the digitization of the characters has caused people to write them less, which results in forgetting the sequence of strokes. This wasn't a big problem before.

At work we almost never type anymore because we have dictation systems. I find myself forgetting how to spell certain words.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:42 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top