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ATLEAST when it comes to government spending. One of the reasons I believe this to be true is because the education spending goes to other places instead of the classroom. In the US, its about 10k per pupil. That means your average classroom gets about 200-300k. The average teacher makes about 50k, more or less. So that leaves us with 150-250k per classroom.
ATLEAST when it comes to government spending. One of the reasons I believe this to be true is because the education spending goes to other places instead of the classroom. In the US, its about 10k per pupil. That means your average classroom gets about 200-300k. The average teacher makes about 50k, more or less. So that leaves us with 150-250k per classroom.
Where is the rest of the money going? Honestly.
Publishing companies, "Experts" in pedagogy, Technology licenses and hardware, smiley face stickers manufacturers, and last but not least - campaign coffers?
Um, technology. In 1970 there weren't technology rooms with a computer for each student. Schools weren't handing out laptops and teachers were using good old fashioned chalkboards. They were also probably hand cranking off copies on mimeo machines
ATLEAST when it comes to government spending. One of the reasons I believe this to be true is because the education spending goes to other places instead of the classroom. In the US, its about 10k per pupil. That means your average classroom gets about 200-300k. The average teacher makes about 50k, more or less. So that leaves us with 150-250k per classroom.
Where is the rest of the money going? Honestly.
Once again, lets take some quote and believe it. THE USA is a huge country. Maybe there are places where the average expenditure per pupil is 10K but its not where I live.
My district has the best scores in the county on the NCLB required state tests, and has an expenditure of less than half that----way less than half. Check you local district and find out what yours is.
But if you believe your comment then you think school is a one-room school house heated by a pot bellied stove in the center, using a black board and an outhouse.
Do you honestly believe your statement? Do you not understand the costs of heat, air conditioning, water, electricity, and the support personnel of counselors, special ed, principals, reading teachers, nurses, paid aides, debt payment on buildings, expenses for everything that is mandated by the federal government, etc.
When you start looking at the real costs of what education is today, your post looks like you just got off the time machine from 1890. just read a few of the posts here which talk about the mandated programs from the federal government.
Pleeese!! My bet is that the OP knows all this already and is just grinding an axe. Moving on and another OP adds to my IL.
ATLEAST when it comes to government spending. One of the reasons I believe this to be true is because the education spending goes to other places instead of the classroom. In the US, its about 10k per pupil. That means your average classroom gets about 200-300k. The average teacher makes about 50k, more or less. So that leaves us with 150-250k per classroom.
Where is the rest of the money going? Honestly.
It's the same in medicine. Doctors' real salaries haven't increased in two decades while healthcare costs have skyrocketed.
We have too many overpaid and useless administrators in this country. Like Michelle Obama who made more than surgeons as vice president of community affairs at the University of Chicago Hospitals. Her job was to dump indigent patients to other hospitals. Her salary was 320k.
It's the same in medicine. Doctors' real salaries haven't increased in two decades while healthcare costs have skyrocketed.
We have too many overpaid and useless administrators in this country. Like Michelle Obama who made more than surgeons as vice president of community affairs at the University of Chicago Hospitals. Her job was to dump indigent patients to other hospitals. Her salary was 320k.
You simply have no idea what you are talking about.
Even if you removed all the administrators it wouldn't even make a dent in the costs, the same costs that you have to pay to maintain the sturcture of your house and home.
What does bring Michelle Obama into this have to do with anything other than to try to start a flame war?
You simply have no idea what you are talking about.
Even if you removed all the administrators it wouldn't even make a dent in the costs, the same costs that you have to pay to maintain the sturcture of your house and home.
What does bring Michelle Obama into this have to do with anything other than to try to start a flame war?
It is you who don't have a clue. We have had an explosion of government and corporate bureaucracy at all levels of the American health care system in the past 3 decades.
Here's growth of hospital and insurance administrators versus physicians in America:
PNHP 2008
Over 30% of total health care expenditures (including prescription drugs) is in administrative overhead. Instead of doing something about this, Obama was running around the country bashing physicians and insinuating greed.
The US education system experienced a similar explosion of administrative bloat in the last 3 decades, as well as many other American industries since the decline of domestic manufacturing. We've become a nation of bureaucratic paper-pushers, of MBAs and lawyers and their massive administrative support staff. GM failed because it was no longer a car company full of innovative automotive engineers, but a pension company run by MBAs who wouldn't know the difference between an adiabatic process and a fart.
A lot of that is in teacher salaries as well, that huge bump you see at the end of the 70's early 80's. Before then, teachers were making very low salaries where many (most?) qualified for food stamps!
Also consider Special Education.
Quote:
This groundswell of grassroots advocacy led to the more recent history of special education in America, which commenced with Congressional approval of the “Education for All Handicapped Children Act” (Public Law 94-142) on November 29, 1975. This law was intended to support states and localities in “protecting the rights of, meeting the individual needs of, and improving the results for infants, toddlers, children and youths with disabilities and their families.” After the adoption of enabling regulations, PL 94-142 went effective in October 1977, becoming the legislative foundation for federal funding of special education.
With if the per pupil expenditure was fleshed out to per "normal kid" without a special education profile, the amount spent on that child would be well below the district/national average. The cost of a special education student is usually twice to three times the amount of the "normal student."
Technology as described before is another HUGE cost.
Don't forget the cost of testing. The amount spent on testing is disgusting. Our school doesn't just do the state tests, but there are two pre-assessments that the students take to make sure they are on track to do well on the state tests.
In most schools, salaries ( and benefits) account for over 90% of a school's budget.
That explains why positions are cut when a school faces a deficit.
As our Supt used to advise us school board members........."If the budget needs cutting and you are unwilling to cut positions, all you are doing is making " cosmetic cuts" that make you feel good but doesn't accomplish anything "
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