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Old 09-25-2011, 05:16 PM
 
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OMG, this whole debate is almost analogous to the marijuana use debates, LOL! Meaning, that when something becomes so ingrained in a culture, but is then prohibited, people continue to use it and engage in surreptitious behaviors that allow them access. It seems that the real issue is that kids do not see anything wrong with using their cells and/or that they do not have an understanding of technology abuse.

That said, it doesn't seem like this topic is going to make much headway, although I will proffer the suggestion that we need to teach responsible cell phone [and technology] use rather than simply trying to continue policies that either prohibit or allow cell phones in schools and/or classrooms.
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Old 09-25-2011, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Next stop Antarctica
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Kids need rules to live by, better they learn now because once they are out in the workforce they are not going to do as the want. Praise to all those teachers out there dealing with this.
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:14 PM
 
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Those are devices specifically designed for people with various impairments. I find it difficult to believe that a child is unable to communicate with the use of an Apple product. I think it's just a case of the child WANTING to use those devices. Aren't there programs affiliated with schools to provide for special needs to children ot have the devices they need? When my father was superintendent, I know firsthand that the school system found a way for children to get different things that parents couldn't afford out of pocket. So I'm not buying the use of an Apple product. IEP or not.
It was either an iPad or a communications devise. Ours cost around $700, a communication devise costs around $10,000. Insurance companies do NOT pay for communication devises. School districts do NOT provide communication devises. If parents need one it comes from your pocket book or through donations, and even iPads are given to needy people with autism. My school district won't even follow my son's IEP, they certainly aren't going to pay extra to help him communicate! That being said, most autism schools do use iPads, but they are not something that comes home with the student, so if you want any continuity, you best get one.

I'm just glad you are not the diagnosing physician or involved in any facet of care or education of my son, because you would probably think that he doesn't have autism either .
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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If a student is using a device that is inconsistent with class rules and procedures then yes, it should be confiscated.
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Old 09-25-2011, 07:27 PM
 
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It was either an iPad or a communications devise. Ours cost around $700, a communication devise costs around $10,000. Insurance companies do NOT pay for communication devises. School districts do NOT provide communication devises. If parents need one it comes from your pocket book or through donations, and even iPads are given to needy people with autism. My school district won't even follow my son's IEP, they certainly aren't going to pay extra to help him communicate! That being said, most autism schools do use iPads, but they are not something that comes home with the student, so if you want any continuity, you best get one.

I'm just glad you are not the diagnosing physician or involved in any facet of care or education of my son, because you would probably think that he doesn't have autism either .
I am sorry to hear that your school will not provide a device for your child if he needs one. Our school district does provide such devices to students for use in school. They don't let the kids take them home, I imagine because they are so expensive, but they do have them for kids to use in the classroom.

The IPad is less expensive though and it seemed to be just as good as that Dynavox that cost $10,000 to $20,000. We had a grant for ours, btw, and did not pay out of pocket for it at all.
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Old 09-25-2011, 08:39 PM
 
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It seems we all survived when we went to school without cellphones. you needed to call home there were pay phones or you could use the one in the front office.
And people survived without running water or electricity but we no longer expect it of them because with the advent of technology we accept the pros of them as well as the cons.

There is no difference here. Cell phones are just new technology, no more or less.
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Old 09-25-2011, 08:42 PM
 
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Of course they should.
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Old 09-25-2011, 09:14 PM
 
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It was either an iPad or a communications devise. Ours cost around $700, a communication devise costs around $10,000. Insurance companies do NOT pay for communication devises. School districts do NOT provide communication devises. If parents need one it comes from your pocket book or through donations, and even iPads are given to needy people with autism. My school district won't even follow my son's IEP, they certainly aren't going to pay extra to help him communicate! That being said, most autism schools do use iPads, but they are not something that comes home with the student, so if you want any continuity, you best get one.

I'm just glad you are not the diagnosing physician or involved in any facet of care or education of my son, because you would probably think that he doesn't have autism either .
It's not about whether he has autism. It's the fact that there are other options more suited to an educational environment. I find it very hard to believe that your school system does not have and will not acquire necessary equipment. I'm sure your child is not the only autistic child in the entire system.
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Old 09-25-2011, 09:25 PM
 
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It's not about whether he has autism. It's the fact that there are other options more suited to an educational environment. I find it very hard to believe that your school system does not have and will not acquire necessary equipment. I'm sure your child is not the only autistic child in the entire system.
What?!? Are you joking? Right now, I'm taking the school district to court to mainstream my child, which is part a mandated part of his IEP. If they are refusing to pay $30K a year for an aide to mainstream my child, do you honestly think they are going to pony up $10,000-20,000 for "necessary equipment." Especially, when the iPad is $700 and does the same DAMN thing. And just so you are aware, the iPad we have is WiFi only, you can disable the internet connection (which we do when we send it school, that way if some moron steals it, they are only able to get to the communication apps and none of the on-line software, that's password protected), there's no way for him to play angry birds, or connect to Netflix (not that he could). GMAFB.
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Old 09-25-2011, 10:07 PM
 
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It's not about whether he has autism. It's the fact that there are other options more suited to an educational environment. I find it very hard to believe that your school system does not have and will not acquire necessary equipment. I'm sure your child is not the only autistic child in the entire system.
You seriously don't get how school districts work in terms of autistic children. Some districts are excellent and do whatever they need to do, but many do not. The district the person you replied to is not in compliance with her current IEP because they don't want to pay for an aide. This tends to be a big problem in districts where funding has been cut severely. It is also a fact that many districts get away with noncompliance because parents don't know their rights or don't have money for advocates and lawyers.

The Ipad is actually perfectly suited to the classroom when used by knowledgeable teachers and it is MUCH less expensive than most of the hardware and software the district could buy.
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