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Old 03-31-2012, 05:03 PM
 
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I think like a competitive athlete not your weekend "walk for a cure" athlete (no offense to the post-mentioned). In the competitive world, it is fairly black and white, one wins or they don't. Whether my opponent trained lesser, similar or harder than I is really unconcerning hearsay. To be frank, I don't care. All I care about is being faster and stronger than them, to destroy them at whatever the given task.

So when is the last time you saw an olympic runner pass another and mumble, "hey keep up the good work Joe?" Just a better analogy. The only point where any kind of effort is acknowledged is only after competition and that's only good sportsmanship. That is the appropriate time to be humble and reassuring. If you think any world class athlete is standing on the line pre-game/pre-race thinking, "Wow, I feel such a deep appreciation to play along side such talent" you're wrong. More like "Haha...I'm going kill these jokes!" And this shows not through humble friendly smiles, but the emotionless, ice cold game face intermittently interrupted by small facial cues of rage. Because to be the best, you must have the tenacious thought you actually are the best.
I was at a high school weightlifting competition today and I saw many of the student athletes compliment each other on a good lift, especially if they were lifting a very heavy weight. A true accomplishment is usually acknowledged by others who admire the competitor for his work.

A person can have tenacious thought and still admire the work of another competitor.
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Old 04-01-2012, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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So when is the last time you saw an olympic runner pass another and mumble, "hey keep up the good work Joe?"
Shows how far you really are from being a real athlete yourself. I do triathlons, (short stuff. Longest I've ever done was a half Ironman distance) and in most of the races out there the pros and average joes are in the same races. Hugely common to see an Ironman world champion and the rest of the pros finishing in the paycheck spots to finish their races, do a shower and massage, and then go back to the finish line and spend hours cheering on the 'average' joes trying to complete their Ironman distance race (2.4 mile swim, 112 mile bike, 26.2 mile run) before the time cutoff for official finishers.
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:13 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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P.E. is a class where ANYONE can strive to meet up to his/her potential and the evaluation of whether he/she accomplished this greatly depends on effort. I was always very athletic in school and didn't have to work hard. I did what was asked of me and always got an A. There were overweight kids though who couldn't run fast, or hit a baseball, or catch a football. They couldn't play basketball or be of any use on the soccer field. However, they were the hardest working kids that I ever saw, trying their best to get a hit and make it to first base or run with the football or make a basket in basketball. They were often ridiculed and laughed at, but they kept trying.

For this, they deserve in A, absolutely. It's the size of the fight in the dog that matters in P.E.
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Old 04-02-2012, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I was at a high school weightlifting competition today and I saw many of the student athletes compliment each other on a good lift, especially if they were lifting a very heavy weight. A true accomplishment is usually acknowledged by others who admire the competitor for his work.

A person can have tenacious thought and still admire the work of another competitor.
Likewise, I have been at high school gymnastics meets and seen the other athletes applaud a particularly good routine. My friend whose son played HS tennis says this happens with tennis, as well.
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:50 AM
 
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It happens all the time. It happens even to those who lose. I remember a softball game where pitcher pitched 4 no hit innings and EVERYONE on my team congratulated her.
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:56 AM
 
Location: SoCal - Sherman Oaks & Woodland Hills
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A fat kid getting an "A" in physical education is the same as giving a kid who doesnt know how to add an "A" in algebra.

Just as with all other classes, parents should be called in to discuss what can be done at home to help the child meet the requirements of the class.

"E"s for EFFORT should still be given if the kid really tries though. But really, a conference with the parents should be called to figure out a plan as to why the kid is fat and what can be done to help them.
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Jersey
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A fat kid getting an "A" in physical education is the same as giving a kid who doesnt know how to add an "A" in algebra.

Just as with all other classes, parents should be called in to discuss what can be done at home to help the child meet the requirements of the class.

"E"s for EFFORT should still be given if the kid really tries though. But really, a conference with the parents should be called to figure out a plan as to why the kid is fat and what can be done to help them.
Its not the schools place or job to set up an IEP for a "fat" kid.

And its not the same thing AT ALL. Joey can do algebra but cant do it as fast as jenny. He can still do it. Brian can play basketball, he cant play as well as Tyler. He can still do it.
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Old 04-02-2012, 04:11 PM
 
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I think like a competitive athlete not your weekend "walk for a cure" athlete (no offense to the post-mentioned). In the competitive world, it is fairly black and white, one wins or they don't. Whether my opponent trained lesser, similar or harder than I is really unconcerning hearsay. To be frank, I don't care. All I care about is being faster and stronger than them, to destroy them at whatever the given task.

So when is the last time you saw an olympic runner pass another and mumble, "hey keep up the good work Joe?" Just a better analogy. The only point where any kind of effort is acknowledged is only after competition and that's only good sportsmanship. That is the appropriate time to be humble and reassuring. If you think any world class athlete is standing on the line pre-game/pre-race thinking, "Wow, I feel such a deep appreciation to play along side such talent" you're wrong. More like "Haha...I'm going kill these jokes!" And this shows not through humble friendly smiles, but the emotionless, ice cold game face intermittently interrupted by small facial cues of rage. Because to be the best, you must have the tenacious thought you actually are the best.


The "true" athletes are usually striving to beat (not "destroy") their own personal best or some other PERSONAL focal point.

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Old 04-03-2012, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Well, when I was in high school, the only thing that was really graded was the mile run. For guys an 8 minute mile was an A, 9 minutes for girls. I think you lost a letter grade for every 30 seconds, although it's been awhile and I can't remember. Everything else was pretty much a did you show up and participate type deal. So, yeah, I imagine plenty of fat kids could run a mile. The last time I did a timed mile was maybe 9 months out of college when I was contemplating going into the military. Forty pounds overweight and having not really done anything athletic in three years and I could still run a sub 8 minute mile... that's not that hard.
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Old 04-03-2012, 07:17 PM
 
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We also were only graded on the mile. Good runners got better grades than poor runners. You didn't fail unless you didn't do it at all, though.

I attended all my elementary and secondary schooling in the only state in the nation to require daily P.E. all the way through 12th grade. I don't live there anymore, so not sure if it's still true, but it was at that point.
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