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Old 05-26-2012, 05:45 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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Children are so eager for worksheets that by the time I get them, they don't recognize anything else as "work".

That's what we need in schools--more worksheets. How could we not see it...?
Ain't this the truth! I started the year with NEW text books--(actually they had been in the closet for the past 3 years)--and the students about went crazy.

They associated text books with having to do WORK. A worksheet is all inclusive and does not require them to read, think or do much writing.

Now they (Powers that be) want to go with computer instruction and less human interaction?

May be we should just load up all the school PCs with HALO and let them have at it!
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Old 05-26-2012, 01:05 PM
 
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There is plenty of money already.

Just the administrators rip it off before it gets to the teachers.

Do teachers not understand this, or do they just accept it?

Real question, there.

Have you ever seen a teacher do the classroom math of their own classroom?
There is no career advancement for teachers. The only way to advance is to join the admin ranks. The problem with that is that there are lots of people competing for few jobs. The jobs are handed out through favoritism and nepotism.

Teachers accept that, but are highly resentful, because they end up being micromanaged by the admins interference in the classroom. The teacher can no longer function in the classroom because there are so many cooks in that kitchen.
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Old 05-26-2012, 01:55 PM
 
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There is no career advancement for teachers. The only way to advance is to join the admin ranks. The problem with that is that there are lots of people competing for few jobs. The jobs are handed out through favoritism and nepotism.
Did you miss the part about the money math -- or not follow it?

Here is what it looks like at my kids' school.

Budget: $30 Million.

Kids in school: 3550

Gross per unit / $ per kid: about $8450 per kid.

Classrooms -- we have two kids in school -- 18 kids in one classroom, 22 in the other -- average 20 kids.

On average, each of those classrooms represent an annual Cash Flow of 20 kids X $8450 = over $169,000 -- again, each.

So where does that money go?


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Teachers accept that, but are highly resentful, because they end up being micromanaged by the admins interference in the classroom. The teacher can no longer function in the classroom because there are so many cooks in that kitchen.
Teachers have become dumb tools because they do not take out the incompetent and crooked admin. who are stealing your resources.

Face it, teachers are wimps.
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Old 05-26-2012, 02:16 PM
 
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The general population already thinks that teachers make too much money, etc.

So when this "uprising" occurs, there will be no support. Never mind that, there is no support as it is and the population wants to take more away from teachers. So, good teachers leave the system, bad ones have no other choice. The next generation is brought up without an education and the society loses.

Thanks for your support though. Calling people names shows that almost anyone can pick something in school.
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Old 05-26-2012, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The general population already thinks that teachers make too much money, etc.

So when this "uprising" occurs, there will be no support. Never mind that, there is no support as it is and the population wants to take more away from teachers. So, good teachers leave the system, bad ones have no other choice. The next generation is brought up without an education and the society loses.

Thanks for your support though. Calling people names shows that almost anyone can pick something in school.
Yes, $35K for a first year teacher is way too much..right ?
What should they offer..$10K plus welfare/food stamps/Sec 8 housing ?
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Old 05-26-2012, 02:44 PM
 
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Did you miss the part about the money math -- or not follow it?

Here is what it looks like at my kids' school.

Budget: $30 Million.

Kids in school: 3550

Gross per unit / $ per kid: about $8450 per kid.

Classrooms -- we have two kids in school -- 18 kids in one classroom, 22 in the other -- average 20 kids.

On average, each of those classrooms represent an annual Cash Flow of 20 kids X $8450 = over $169,000 -- again, each.

So where does that money go?




Teachers have become dumb tools because they do not take out the incompetent and crooked admin. who are stealing your resources.

Face it, teachers are wimps.
What do you propose teachers do? Most teachers show up to the work because they truly love kids, they love to teach. They teach in SPITE of the micromanaging-bloated ego admins. If you call that being a wimp, then I agree...but what SHOULD they do?
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Old 05-26-2012, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Ain't this the truth! I started the year with NEW text books--(actually they had been in the closet for the past 3 years)--and the students about went crazy.

They associated text books with having to do WORK. A worksheet is all inclusive and does not require them to read, think or do much writing.

Now they (Powers that be) want to go with computer instruction and less human interaction?

May be we should just load up all the school PCs with HALO and let them have at it!
My students have started asking me to do remediation packets before their tests. Mine are all inclusive and intended to be remediation after a failure. I realized too late that they just want to be lazy. They're upset I didn't do one for their test next week. If we need to remediate, I'll do one then.

Computer instruction is going to be interesting. The motivated kids will do well with it but what percentage of our kids are motivated?

A certain charter school you and I used to work for tried a computer based biology course a couple of years ago. The kids, quickly, figured out they could go slow and have a good grade because they got everything right. They ended up grading them on the percent they finished and, from what I hear, they had a lot of failures. The problem with computer learning is you need a motivated learner. If our kids were, naturally, motivated to learn, teaching would be a whole lot easier than it is.
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Old 05-26-2012, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Did you miss the part about the money math -- or not follow it?

Here is what it looks like at my kids' school.

Budget: $30 Million.

Kids in school: 3550

Gross per unit / $ per kid: about $8450 per kid.

Classrooms -- we have two kids in school -- 18 kids in one classroom, 22 in the other -- average 20 kids.

On average, each of those classrooms represent an annual Cash Flow of 20 kids X $8450 = over $169,000 -- again, each.

So where does that money go?




Teachers have become dumb tools because they do not take out the incompetent and crooked admin. who are stealing your resources.

Face it, teachers are wimps.
Teachers do not have the power to take out administrators....that power would lie with the voters... My principal is my boss. He has the power to fire me. How do you propose I take him out?
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Old 05-26-2012, 03:15 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Did you miss the part about the money math -- or not follow it?

Here is what it looks like at my kids' school.

Budget: $30 Million.

Kids in school: 3550

Gross per unit / $ per kid: about $8450 per kid.

Classrooms -- we have two kids in school -- 18 kids in one classroom, 22 in the other -- average 20 kids.

On average, each of those classrooms represent an annual Cash Flow of 20 kids X $8450 = over $169,000 -- again, each.

So where does that money go?




Teachers have become dumb tools because they do not take out the incompetent and crooked admin. who are stealing your resources.

Face it, teachers are wimps.
Your question of "where does the money go" needs to be answered at your school system level.

Some places where it goes, in no particular order:
Buses and their drivers
Heat
Lights
Bond payments for construction
Out of system Special Ed placements (up to $300K/kid/year)
Janitors
Support staff
Administrators
Supplies
Specialists
Classroom teachers
Other

So your $8400/kid does not translate to money in the classroom
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Old 05-26-2012, 03:59 PM
 
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Your question of "where does the money go" needs to be answered at your school system level.

Some places where it goes, in no particular order:
Buses and their drivers
Heat
Lights
Bond payments for construction
Out of system Special Ed placements (up to $300K/kid/year)
Janitors
Support staff
Administrators
Supplies
Specialists
Classroom teachers
Sure. I know this. By the way, bond payments are a separate budget.

So all we are really talking about is Operations and Maintenance. And it does not need $100,000 per classroom beyond the teacher's fully loaded salary.

I have went through the detail levels and see where the money is basically being stolen. I have found few classroom teachers who can/will do that math.

This is con, fraud and theft at the administrative level.

They will not even buy books for our kids.

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Other
Whooolllleeee lotta of "other."

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So your $8400/kid does not translate to money in the classroom
But you cannot put classroom teachers salaries (a minor portion) on both sides of the equation, and pretend there is not money to do the job.

Do you understand why we wish to de-fund and kill the status quo?

And on the other side, I see Admin folks try to hide behind claims of "the children, the children," to maintain their theft.
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