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That's unique to California because of prop 13. Prop 13 was voted in by initiative and can be just as easily removed by initiative. So, that part of the tax in California exists whereever you live, but school bonds are tied to location there and can be avoided, e.g. like in the old Spanish land grant areas that were not annexed into school districts.
It is not unique to California. I would like to see some proof that there are old Spanish land grant areas that were not annexed into school districts. I never heard of any land not being in a school district, except, as I said, for state and federal land. This is the case in Colorado, Pennsylvania and Illinois, states I have lived in.
Here there are housing options in almost all price points in each school zone. Unfortunately that means some kids ride the bus for 30 minutes +. I think we have to remember not all districts are set up the same.
That's not the case here. Where I live, just about everyone has a good deal of money. When you go north in the county, income starts to get more diverse, but it also goes way down. However, most school zones do not include diverse income areas at all.
It is not unique to California. I would like to see some proof that there are old Spanish land grant areas that were not annexed into school districts. I never heard of any land not being in a school district, except, as I said, for state and federal land. This is the case in Colorado, Pennsylvania and Illinois, states I have lived in.
The 12 parcels directly north of this one have no school sub code. They exist in a pocket in the Webster Groves school district.
This is another example: St. Louis County Property Viewer
Originally a City of St Louis parcel, it was annexed by City of Bellefontaine, taking it out of the SPLS district, but not by the Riverview Gardens school district.
Or this parcel in the middle of the Missouri River St. Louis County Property Viewer
Privately owned, no school district.
Yet another example can be found in these abandoned rail right of ways (now used for power lines) north of this parcel: St. Louis County Property Viewer
We have a total of 879 such school district annexation gap parcels in our county. But only 521 of them are over 10,000 feet.
This went quick from being a terrible Bad Thing to pretty much acknowledging that it would Such a Good Thing, there might not be enough to go around?
btw, I agree with you.
But again, have we really become so dumb in America we cannot figure this out, as well?
As the students (and the money) run to the Good School model and abandon and de-fund the Bad School operations, the Good Schools expand and the Bad Schools are ran out of business.
Every year the Flight-to-Quality keep the push on the remaining Good Schools to do well and/or better.
Is this really So Hard to get?
Sorry if this has been stated earlier. I didn't want to read through 17 pages of posts.
What you need to understand is that STUDENTS have far more to do with the perceived "quality" of a school than the administration and teachers. If you had a highly performing school and then let a bunch of poorly performing students come in from a poor performing school, all of a sudden the highly performing school will no longer be.
School choice will not lead to improved schools. Almost all administrations do compete already with each other. There is a push to attain ratings status and high or at least improved test scores. Allowing kids to transfer just based on a schools low scores is counter-productive. If you want your kids in a different school then pay private tuition or move.
The 12 parcels directly north of this one have no school sub code. They exist in a pocket in the Webster Groves school district.
This is another example: St. Louis County Property Viewer
Originally a City of St Louis parcel, it was annexed by City of Bellefontaine, taking it out of the SPLS district, but not by the Riverview Gardens school district.
Or this parcel in the middle of the Missouri River St. Louis County Property Viewer
Privately owned, no school district.
Yet another example can be found in these abandoned rail right of ways (now used for power lines) north of this parcel: St. Louis County Property Viewer
We have a total of 879 such school district annexation gap parcels in our county. But only 521 of them are over 10,000 feet.
Well, maybe your county needs to get on the stick. These properties should be paying school taxes. Are there any homes on these properties? Do people send kids to school from these properties.
Well, maybe your county needs to get on the stick. These properties should be paying school taxes. Are there any homes on these properties? Do people send kids to school from these properties.
The county cannot do a thing about it. The school district is a subdivision of the state, not the county. There are homes on a handful of the properties. If they send kids to a public school (they can choose any district), they have to pay tuition to that school district.
Some of the currently vacant properties could have homes. The island is actually owned by a residential developer, so it most likely will have houses on it some day.
Sorry if this has been stated earlier. I didn't want to read through 17 pages of posts.
Don't let a lack of background or knowledge get in the way . . .
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What you need to understand is that STUDENTS have far more to do with the perceived "quality" of a school than the administration and teachers. If you had a highly performing school and then let a bunch of poorly performing students come in from a poor performing school, all of a sudden the highly performing school will no longer be.
It is not a perception problem. Some schools Do Not Teach. All about the paycheck -- not the product. Slacker teachers and crooked admin look for those low standards. Water finds its own level. By allowing kids away from these predatory crooks at least allows some of those kids a chance.
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School choice will not lead to improved schools. Almost all administrations do compete already with each other. There is a push to attain ratings status and high or at least improved test scores.
You really do not understand slackers and crooks.
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Allowing kids to transfer just based on a schools low scores is counter-productive. If you want your kids in a different school then pay private tuition or move.
In the good areas around here, houses start at least $250K and go into the millions. Poor folks are locked in the lower areas -- which have the crappy schools. They have no capacity to move, let alone pay for private.
By locking kids down in the lower decks of a sinking ship -- it is pretty much a Titanic thing. In many low end schools around here (Dallas area) the kids would be better off dropping out. And they do. Around half in Dallas proper.
In the good areas around here, houses start at least $250K and go into the millions. Poor folks are locked in the lower areas -- which have the crappy schools. They have no capacity to move, let alone pay for private.
By locking kids down in the lower decks of a sinking ship -- it is pretty much a Titanic thing. In many low end schools around here (Dallas area) the kids would be better off dropping out. And they do. Around half in Dallas proper.
Which brings up an interesting proposition....
nearly all the top performing states are interdistrict open enrollment states.
Perhaps the issue is the type of school choice rather than school choice itself.
Don't let a lack of background or knowledge get in the way . . .
It is not a perception problem. Some schools Do Not Teach. All about the paycheck -- not the product. Slacker teachers and crooked admin look for those low standards. Water finds its own level. By allowing kids away from these predatory crooks at least allows some of those kids a chance.
You really do not understand slackers and crooks.
In the good areas around here, houses start at least $250K and go into the millions. Poor folks are locked in the lower areas -- which have the crappy schools. They have no capacity to move, let alone pay for private.
By locking kids down in the lower decks of a sinking ship -- it is pretty much a Titanic thing. In many low end schools around here (Dallas area) the kids would be better off dropping out. And they do. Around half in Dallas proper.
1. I have no idea how reading 17 pages of replies to see if mine was already stated has anything to do with background information or knowledge.
2. How do you know that some schools "don't teach"? I challenge you to find an entire school, in the public school system that makes no effort to educate children. Rankings are based on test scores. Poor kids score far worse than wealthy kids on tests. The reasons are many; including genetics, home environment, social environment, etc. Very little of it has to do with quality of the education. Thousands of intelligent kids come from poor school districts and go onto good colleges. But the overall scores are always lower than their wealthy counterparts. Teachers that teach at wealthy schools are more likely to be the ones "collecting a paycheck". Their job is easy. If their kids struggle the parents pay for a tutor.
3. There are just as many crooks in wealthy schools as there are in poor schools.
4. In Phoenix the pay was always much higher in low performing districts. This at least enticed some teachers to go to lower performing schools. The lower performing schools could be improved somewhat if all great teachers went there. The problem is that in most other areas the lower performing schools also pay less. Who would take a job there and get less pay along with the stigma that comes with being a teacher from a low performing school. So too often the ones that end up there are the ones that don't get hired at the higher performing schools.
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