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Old 05-27-2012, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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That will not work. Remember that many people pay school taxes who do not have kids in school, not just people who have kids in private school. Everyone who owns a property, commercial, residential or agricultural pays property taxes. Plus-taxes are paid by property, not by the number of children you have. Yet, tuition is paid for each child.

If we went to a system where people only pay for their own children nearly everyone will find it difficult to pay for school because there are so many current taxpayers who do not have children in school who will also stop paying.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I disagree. I think the profit motive would ensure that there would be schools with all kinds of targeted foci.
Did you read post #41? Did you see how much money a special ed student costs a district? That is what the tuition would have to be to break even. It would obviously have to be more to turn a profit.

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That will not work. Remember that many people pay school taxes who do not have kids in school, not just people who have kids in private school. Everyone who owns a property, commercial, residential or agricultural pays property taxes. Plus-taxes are paid by property, not by the number of children you have. Yet, tuition is paid for each child.

If we went to a system where people only pay for their own children nearly everyone will find it difficult to pay for school because there are so many current taxpayers who do not have children in school who will also stop paying.
Exactly! Understanding school financing goes a long way towards understanding this issue.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:10 PM
 
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Interesting

Michigan charter schools spend more on administration, less on instruction, study finds | MLive.com
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:13 PM
 
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Good find!

Hardly surprising since most of these charter schools don't know squat about how to run a school.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:22 PM
 
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How do budgets work in MI? My kids went to a charter school in FL. I was on the board of the parent organization. We got a school level budget from the parent organization (Imagine Schools). In addition to that budget we raised money at the school level and that money never showed up in the school budget. It is a risky funding scheme but when it exists using the school budget as a proxy for instruction does not always work.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:42 PM
 
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How do budgets work in MI? My kids went to a charter school in FL. I was on the board of the parent organization. We got a school level budget from the parent organization (Imagine Schools). In addition to that budget we raised money at the school level and that money never showed up in the school budget. It is a risky funding scheme but when it exists using the school budget as a proxy for instruction does not always work.
Imagine Schools operates in Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, and Washington, DC.

In Florida

As St. Petersburg school founders, districts question Imagine Schools' status - Tampa Bay Times

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An F-rated St. Petersburg charter school stands on the verge of collapse, mired in debt and losing enrollment. And most of those debts — around $1 million in public tax dollars — are owed to the same private company that founded it.
They want non-profit status because they have drained all the money out to the management company.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:46 PM
 
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Yes...that's why we see so many private schools that target at risk students....because a for profit model would dictate this...
Not under the current system. If there were a real voucher system, I have no doubt that targeted schools would exist.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:47 PM
 
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That will not work. Remember that many people pay school taxes who do not have kids in school, not just people who have kids in private school. Everyone who owns a property, commercial, residential or agricultural pays property taxes. Plus-taxes are paid by property, not by the number of children you have. Yet, tuition is paid for each child.

If we went to a system where people only pay for their own children nearly everyone will find it difficult to pay for school because there are so many current taxpayers who do not have children in school who will also stop paying.
Hmmm. Well, if they stop paying, then maybe there is no demand by American society for public education.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:50 PM
 
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Businesses, for the most part, can turn down potential customers. Public schools are usually stuck with even the worst students. On the other hand, most businesses don't care where you live.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:52 PM
 
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Businesses, for the most part, can turn down potential customers. Public schools are usually stuck with even the worst students. On the other hand, most businesses don't care where you live.
I'm sure that many schools WOULD turn down students. That would create a pool of students that other school-businesses would cater to. It's called free enterprise.
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