What are Asians doing differently/right compared to other minorities? (university, county)
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I'm curious what's so different about Asians compared to other minorities. I've been looking at Greatschools.org stats and it doesn't matter if it's east coast or west coast, Asians do well at school and follow white stats closely but there's a HUGE disparity with Hispanics and blacks.
In San Diego I noticed a majority Asian school in a mid/low income neighborhood do great (at least on paper) comparable to wealthy majority white areas. In this particular school even the other minorities do higher than state average.
Although looking at other stats, San Diego county seems to be doing good with schools in general. But yeah, why are Asians different and what can we do to improve the school experience/results for other minorities?
The same situation applies in Australia and in my state we have public academically selective high schools. They are overwhelmingly full of Asian background students. The highest ranking school, James Ruse High School, has more than 90% of students from non English speaking backgrounds.
Someone just did a study to try to identify reasons for this. Unsurprisingly it was found that the kids spend more time at home doing homework and other school related activities, that the parents have a very high regard for the importance of education and it is commonly thought that the families respect teachers more and expect their kids to do so.
Also here we have a very selective immigration policy so that many of the parents are professionals themselves. I read, though am not certain, that we are one of the few countries where our immigrants overall outperform our non immigrant population.
Many (most?) Asians in the US are the cream of the crop Asians, the ones with the brains and money to make it here, the engineers, the PhDs, the business owners, the ones on the far right of the Asian IQ Bell Curve. The median Asian is still back in Asia sewing Nike shoes or slapping iFads together or picking rice. Most of those in India and China live worse than the poorest Americans.
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Many (most?) Asians in the US are the cream of the crop Asians, the ones with the brains and money to make it here, the engineers, the PhDs, the business owners, the ones on the far right of the Asian IQ Bell Curve.
That's definitely not true here in NYC, where Asians predominate at the most selective public high schools. Many (but not all) of those kids' parents are working-class to downright poor. But I do think that there is one reason for their numbers at these schools that is often overlooked. Entry to these schools are by test only, and many Asian cultures--Korean, Indian, and especially Chinese--have a long history of social mobility and/or educational advancement that depends solely on successfully mastering a single test. I believe that many Asians here come with that mindset and drum it their kids from an early age. You can go into Asian neighborhoods and see whole private academies devoted to nothing by test prep. By contrast, the best high schools here that are not solely test-dependent, as Hunter or Stuyvesant are, have a much more ethnically diverse student population.
But I will agree that immigrants in general, whether Asian, Middle Eastern, Caribbean, or Latin American, are generally just "hungrier' than native-born kids, who may have more to fall back on without a top-notch education. Also interesting that I've seen research (cannot remember where) that the educational achievement of immigrants and their offspring tends to revert toward the U.S mean the longer they've been here. But like I say, I cannot verify that.
Many (most?) Asians in the US are the cream of the crop Asians, the ones with the brains and money to make it here, the engineers, the PhDs, the business owners, the ones on the far right of the Asian IQ Bell Curve. The median Asian is still back in Asia sewing Nike shoes or slapping iFads together or picking rice. Most of those in India and China live worse than the poorest Americans.
It's the case, here, where many /most Asian immigrants came for tech company and medical jobs. I don't think that's the case in every city, though, as the poster who noted merchant class and poverty among the population mentioned. Here, more commonly white collar, though.
Attitudes toward education vary culturally, though, and some Eastern cultures are intensely consistent in a deeply culturally embedded value of academic excellence. If that stays reinforced, generation to generation, that's what you get.
One thing I am certain of is other nonwhites' failures have nothing to do with discrimination or racism. Thought Experiment: If for 10 years other nonwhites acted like Asians in all things relevant to both academic and economic success starting at a young age, and if other nonwhite children attended school such that their truancy rate (which is now five times higher than that for whites) fell to the same rate as Asians and if they studied at the same rate of Asians and did not have children out of wedlock and waited until they were married before having children and the did not get involved in gangs, crimes, and drugs and we STILL saw the racial disparities that we do, THEN it is time to look for a structural inequality (systemic racism, white privilege, etc) and to look for an ubiquitous racism explanation. BUT right now when the behavioral disparities are SO glaring and SO obvious it is woefully premature to say that what's going on here is implicit bias or explicit bias.
I'm curious what's so different about Asians compared to other minorities. I've been looking at Greatschools.org stats and it doesn't matter if it's east coast or west coast, Asians do well at school and follow white stats closely but there's a HUGE disparity with Hispanics and blacks.
In San Diego I noticed a majority Asian school in a mid/low income neighborhood do great (at least on paper) comparable to wealthy majority white areas. In this particular school even the other minorities do higher than state average.
Although looking at other stats, San Diego county seems to be doing good with schools in general. But yeah, why are Asians different and what can we do to improve the school experience/results for other minorities?
Out here on the West Coast Asians do not follow whites academically White's follow Asians academically.
Out here on the West Coast Asians do not follow whites academically White's follow Asians academically.
Some Asians, eastern Asians. Not Filipinos, Hmong, and a view others.
According to J. Philippe Rushton, The University of Western Ontario and Arthur R. Jensen, University of California, Berkeley in Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 2005, Vol. 11, No. 2, 235–294, THIRTY YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE, DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ (110) followed by east Asians (105) followed by whites (100).
I've also wondered why Asians get such good grades in school. You always hear that parents are strict and pressure their children to get the As. Well, pushing doesn't mean they're guaranteed to get As. A person's brain has limited ability. What happens then?
Like OP said, even in lower income schools where Asian parents can't afford tutoring, Asians are still the ones to get good grades. The only thing I can conclude is that it's genetics?? Their brains are just wired to happen to understand and remember tons of facts on subjects taught in school? Maybe they see that it's a good stereotype to live up to? Who doesn't want to get good grades in school? Maybe they were taught to respect and listen to their elders, and teachers are their elders? I honestly don't know what drives Asians to CARE enough to study.
I'm genuinely curious and am asking as an Asian American whose parents never pressured me and they weren't the stereotypical Asian parents and they didn't teach me anything. I tried my best to get good grades (whether I got them is a different story!) only because I saw that all my fellow Asian American friends were studious and got good grades. Most of the AP and HP classes were all Asians and white with 1-2 each of black and Hispanic.
Their brains are just wired to happen to understand and remember tons of facts on subjects taught in school?
My wife is Asian and is a dental hygienist. I've often had the same question. When she was going to school for her program, she'd sit on the bed, read the material and have it memorized immediately. She almost has a photogenic memory. Testing came easy as a result. So yes much of it is god given.
Plus she prides herself on outworking all of her co workers. Is it a competition? It is in her eyes. I think what sets Asians apart is they have a certain pride that they'll come out number one be it the job, their appearance etc. They set very high standards for themselves.
So brains and high drive are a great example for their success.
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