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He was referring to the constant, grinding, oppressive negativity of some teachers who post here. Which is matched only by a gigantic number of complaints about students. Who apparently don't deserve to be educated. For a number of reasons. And a rather impressive number of gripes about parents. Who are always wrong.
Meh...perhaps they're simply bribing them. And how will you "make sure" your DD is signed up for work study? Wouldnt' that count as "helicopter parenting"?
At some colleges, to qualify for work-study you have to qualify for financial aid. My oldest dd did not qualify at her college, couldn't get any campus jobs. Not to mention, they're supposed to be in college to learn. They can work during the summers.
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That's not what he said.
He was referring to the constant, grinding, oppressive negativity of some teachers who post here. Which is matched only by a gigantic number of complaints about students. Who apparently don't deserve to be educated. For a number of reasons. And a rather impressive number of gripes about parents. Who are always wrong.
I agree. And if you read the BBC quote, it doesn't say the number of college educated in the US is going down. In fact, every stat you read says more are going to college today than ever before, a fact that is often bemoaned by the very same posters who like to tell us over and over again that "not everyone should go to college". Other countries are catching up to us!
It just says the younger generation represents less of a SHARE of the global degree holding population. That doesn't reflect on the young US students, it just means that more people from countries outside the US are going to college these days than they used to, so a smaller percentage are Americans. Besides, whether Americans go to college these days seems to have more to do with their means than their grades. The funding model and the nature of student loans has changed quite a bit.
Meh...perhaps they're simply bribing them. And how will you "make sure" your DD is signed up for work study? Wouldnt' that count as "helicopter parenting"?
I find it extremely strange that my reply to this comment was deleted yet the original was not deleted.
For that reason I will post this again to make sure this person sees it.
It is not being a helicopter parent.. it is simply not giving her daughter money. It is called common sense.
Mods, if you want to delete my threads and call it off topic, how about you delete the original rude post?
At some colleges, to qualify for work-study you have to qualify for financial aid. My oldest dd did not qualify at her college, couldn't get any campus jobs. Not to mention, they're supposed to be in college to learn. They can work during the summers.
I agree. And if you read the BBC quote, it doesn't say the number of college educated in the US is going down. In fact, every stat you read says more are going to college today than ever before, a fact that is often bemoaned by the very same posters who like to tell us over and over again that "not everyone should go to college". Other countries are catching up to us!
@ADA_NC: We are not behind the Chinese!
Going to college yes, but many are dropping out before completing.
And now you have a group of people who have no degree but are saddled with a student loan to pay off.
You are off topic, especially with that last statement. The topic is supposed to be how other countries are catching up with the US in college attainment. Yes, the college completion rate has been about 50% of those who start for decades now.
You are off topic, especially with that last statement. The topic is supposed to be how other countries are catching up with the US in college attainment. Yes, the college completion rate has been about 50% of those who start for decades now.
Actually it's less than 50% and it's been stagnant for years. Yet we have more entering college each year.
I just don't understand why we are pushing everyone on an academic track and pushing them into college.
Actually it's less than 50% and it's been stagnant for years. Yet we have more entering college each year.
I just don't understand why we are pushing everyone on an academic track and pushing them into college.
I think you two are talking about different things. The college completion rate is about 50% BUT that only counts the students who start college. Something less than 70% of high school graduates go to college BUT that only counts graduates. Drop outs aren't counted. Last I read, we were hovering around 75% for high school graduation (that's on time, no one counts kids who take longer or get a GED). So, there's about a one in four chance of a student actually getting a college degree and about a 1 in 5 chance of them dropping out of high school (assuming we get to 80% with super seniors)
What changed is we started coddling our children. We started blaming the teacher when they failed instead of blaming them for not trying hard enough. As with most thing in life, in education, results are proportional to effort...the STUDENT'S effort NOT the teacher's effort.
What happened? Our kids quit trying because they don't have to try anymore. The results are proportional to their effort. They didn't try as hard as the exiting generation. Period
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I find it extremely strange that my reply to this comment was deleted yet the original was not deleted.
For that reason I will post this again to make sure this person sees it.
It is not being a helicopter parent.. it is simply not giving her daughter money. It is called common sense.
Mods, if you want to delete my threads and call it off topic, how about you delete the original rude post?
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If you don't enable kids, they have to fix it themselves.
It wasn't intended to be rude...but it might have been OT....my point was that one can't have it both ways....As a teacher, blame parents for "molly coddling" and doing their child's problem solving, resulting in students inability to figure things out for themselves and then, on the other hand state that, as a parent, you will ensure your child doesn't run out of money by "making sure" they have a job or bribing them for the success that YOU want. Isn't that problem solving for them? Explain to them the need for money, and to what extent (if any) you will financially support them, then let them figure it out. They may very well fall on their face. But it's their own face to fall on.
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