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Old 03-09-2013, 12:42 PM
 
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Basically, he is saying that the powers that be want us to be and stay stupid: Chomsky: Corporations and the Richest Americans Viscerally Oppose Common Good | Alternet
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Old 03-09-2013, 12:57 PM
 
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Hasn't this always been the intent of intitutionalized education?
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Old 03-09-2013, 02:37 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I've told my students on more than one occasion that the biggest expectation contemporary society has is for them to be prolific consumers, not critical thinkers or involved citizens.
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Old 03-09-2013, 02:49 PM
 
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It is true. But on the other hand, we have to agree a society needs most people to be hard workers, not "free thinkers"...
However it is hard to draw the line.
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:43 PM
 
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It is true. But on the other hand, we have to agree a society needs most people to be hard workers, not "free thinkers"...
However it is hard to draw the line.
Are you advocating the goal of eliminating free thinkers as part of the education that a society provides its citizens? Chomsky's speech illustrated that there was a time when workers had a lively pursuit of intellectual activity. Is free thought so incompatible with the goals of industry that the perceived goal of reducing public education to test prep centers for the automatons is actually the explicit objective?
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Hasn't this always been the intent of intitutionalized education?
People seem to forget that the purpose of education is to educate the masses. If you want to be a high flier, you need to go elsewhere.

I have many days where I kick myself for forgetting this. No matter how much the government says they want subject matter experts, they will never need them as long as the focus is the bottom of the class.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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It is true. But on the other hand, we have to agree a society needs most people to be hard workers, not "free thinkers"...
However it is hard to draw the line.
You can be both a hard worker and a free thinker. However, public education isn't the place to become a free thinker. There is simply too much you have to learn before you can think freely about anything. Public education teaches the basics. Higher education is where you develop free thinkers.
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Old 03-10-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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It is true. But on the other hand, we have to agree a society needs most people to be hard workers, not "free thinkers"...
That's an easy one - and the line is easier to draw than you might think. :-)
What the guy argues is not rocket science...
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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I think i don´t have to say what is my opinion about Chomsky.

Non-standard intelectuals and non-standard media can be the only salvation of the world. Chomsky, reputated linguist and political activist, always say that we are controlled by the media "anti-communism" when we are voting for example.

Political thinking in the mass media are visceral, classist and racist.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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I've told my students on more than one occasion that the biggest expectation contemporary society has is for them to be prolific consumers, not critical thinkers or involved citizens.
I wonder if any of the little Deltas have become critical thinkers or involved citizens. Or have they just shrugged their shoulders and gone home to watch the latest edition of Real Prolific Consumers of Beverly Hills?
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