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You guys put way too much faith in IQ tests.
They're not entirely meaningless, but they certainly can be fluid numbers in children.
The questions themselves are fairly random and sometimes pretty stupid.
What do I do for a living?
I give IQ tests. Anyone else on this thread with the same background and experience?
Oldhag, public school is really our only choice unless I want to try to home school as a single working mom (I do work from home so it's conceivable but intimidating). So, I have to make it work. I agree with you re tracking. It's time to bring it back and get rid of the clustering and pullout nonsense. I am just going to have to find things that engage their interest and hope that they find challenges along the way assuming that tracking doesn't come back into favor any time soon, which would at least provide a differentiated curriculum that might be a little more appropriate. We're going to be in for an interesting ride.
You guys put way too much faith in IQ tests.
They're not entirely meaningless, but they certainly can be fluid numbers in children.
The questions themselves are fairly random and sometimes pretty stupid.
What do I do for a living?
I give IQ tests. Anyone else on this thread with the same background and experience?
Did you look at these references? The first is irrelevant, and the second is just plain stupid (their methodology is to set IQ based on salary, pegging a paralegal at 100). The average surgeon has an IQ of over 230? Absurd. Hardly anybody on the planet has an IQ over 230.
That does seem ridiculously inflated.
This chart seems more reasonable, although it doesn't cite a source.
140 - Top Civil Servants; Professors and Research Scientists.
130 - Physicians, Surgeons, Lawyers, Engineers
120 - School Teachers, Pharmacists, Accountants, Nurses, Stenographers, Managers.
110 - Foremen, Clerks, Telephone Operators, Salesmen, Policemen, Electricians.
100 plus - Machine Operators, Shopkeepers, Butchers, Welders, Sheet Metal Workers.
Below 100 - Warehouse-men, Carpenters, Cooks, Bakers, Small Farmers, Truck and Van Drivers.
90 - Laborers, Gardeners, Miners, Factory Packers and Sorters
Read more at Buzzle: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/average-iq-score.html
If being a surgeon was dependent on an IQ of over 230, there would only be a handful of surgeons in the US.
You're asking a question about a hypothetical, so any answer will not have meaning in reality.
Case in point, I recently tested a child whose "IQ" was below 70 a couple of years ago. The results I got were an overall standard score of 115 today.
Do you think he was "borderline" a couple of years ago and took smart pills?
There's a saying in educational psychology: "The test is dumb", and indeed it is, if not interpreted in the right context.
If you want to know more about current IQ testing, you should look into CHC theory and the multiplicity of broad and narrow intelligences. It's not a bad theory in itself, but the means to really test for these intelligences is where "imperfection meets theory".
FYI: Just because they have the score doesn't mean they will be any "smarter" than anyone else. They have to learn to apply it too. I have met people with very high IQs who can't even balance a checkbook.
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Originally Posted by Oldhag1
The odds of having one child that is a "genius" is astronomical. Having a second in the same family is not really much higher - genetics, and all.
My late wife and her siblings all had IQs over 150 as did her kids and grandkids as far as I know.
She scored a perfect SAT but only had above average grades in high school. She dropped out of college to marry and was a stay at home mom for 20 years. While she was obviously very bright, especially with languages, she had trouble keeping her checkbook balanced. Her two sisters were much like her, very bright but you'd not know how bright unless you watched them compose a poem or heard them explain words and languages. (My wife spoke five languages and could find mistakes in the dictionary.) They were/are quite normal housewives without any particular ambitions other than to put words on paper.
Her two brothers excelled in their professions, both achieving national acclaim.
Snort there was a purpose behind it though which I explained later. I got some good answers, I think.
As for the student, I think you gave him M&Ms to improve his performance this time. (I read a book recently where students with borderline IQs magically did better when rewarded with some treat, but in actuality how they performed in school was more indicative of the lower IQ. It was pretty interesting.)
eta link to book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/054...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 It is a great read! My son has issues here, which is why I bought this book actually. I realize 4 points is not that significant but I was floored when his IQ tested higher than his sister and not a good 15-20 points lower. But he has a very low frustration theshhold and she is very tenacious.
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If a person is aware of the best way to take an IQ test, he will score much better than the kid next to him that hasn't a clue about the time factor.
I have to brag a little here....I loved to take the old tests that the Reader's Digest put out back in the 1940s. They were the modern day multiple test type things. I make of habit of doing them as fast as I could. Then, when I was a senior in small town high school, and experimental IQ test was given to all the students. Guess what!!! it was like the RD tests and I scored the highest in the entire school. Wow!! My star did shine.
Anyway, when my boys got into school, I passed on the information on "how to take a multiple choice test" They saw the point behind it, did it my way and all three of them got the highest SAT scores in their school. And yes, they were like me, didn't study, do homework or try for good grades. While we may be above average....we are great when it comes to that kind of test.
Time spent looking around, scatching, yawning, wiggling, finding the place, etc. adds up and the possible score is lower.
How does a 3.5 year old child take a meaningful test?
I've wondered that too. It stands to reason that a child that is spoken too, shown new things, and taken places will be more aware of everything around him, than a children that only gets attention when it's time to eat. It seems to me that would be a temporary measurement.
Let's face it....the child that gets an IQ test at that age is not from your usual everyday family. I doubt it would be done for zero dollars.
The trouble starts when the parents start expecting the children to do so much better than others.
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(I read a book recently where students with borderline IQs magically did better when rewarded with some treat, but in actuality how they performed in school was more indicative of the lower IQ. It was pretty interesting.)
