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Old 07-03-2013, 12:34 AM
 
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Ranking 2011:

People's Republic of China
United States of America
Singapore
Russian Federation
Thailand
Turkey
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Romania
Taiwan
Islamic Republic of Iran
Germany
Japan
Republic of Korea
Hong Kong
Poland
Ukraine
Canada
United Kingdom
Italy
Brazil
Bulgaria
Mexico
India
Israel
Australia
Hungary
Serbia
Netherlands
Indonesia
New Zealand
Belarus
Peru
Vietnam
France

Ranking 2012:
Republic of Korea
People's Republic of China
United States of America
Russian Federation
Canada
Thailand
Singapore
Islamic Republic of Iran
Vietnam
Romania
India
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Turkey
Taiwan
Serbia
Peru
Japan
Poland
Brazil
Bulgaria
Ukraine
Netherlands
United Kingdom
Belarus
Croatia
Greece
Australia
Hong Kong
Saudi Arabia
Republic of Moldova
Germany
Israel
Mexico
Kazakhstan
Indonesia
Malaysia
Portugal
Belgium
France
Hungary
Italy
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:41 AM
 
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Top 5 in recent years:

2007
Russia
China
South Korea
Vietnam
USA

2008
China
Russia
USA
South Korea
Iran

2009
China
Japan
Russia
South Korea
North Korea
(USA)

2010
China
Russia
USA
South Korea
Kazakhstan


2011
China
USA
Singapore
Russia
Thailand

2012
South Korea
China
USA
Russia
Canada
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:13 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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But I thought the USA had a horrible education system and surely was ranked towards the bottom. How is it that they are in the top 5 all but one year?

I am surprised North Korea, a place that executes people for making international phone calls, even participates.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:25 AM
 
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The only logical conclusion is that the math olympiad means exactly nothing, given the differences in quality of life in, say, France vs the quality of life in North Korea. Perhaps along the lines of the number of chess grandmasters -- meaningless.
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:31 AM
 
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Interesting: "North Korea was disqualified for cheating at the 32nd IMO in 1991 and the 51st IMO in 2010.[21] It is the only country to have been caught cheating" -- from the Wiki entry for International Mathematical Olympiad.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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But I thought the USA had a horrible education system and surely was ranked towards the bottom. How is it that they are in the top 5 all but one year?

I am surprised North Korea, a place that executes people for making international phone calls, even participates.
The selection process is different for this compared to the PISA tests.
In PISA we are #31 in Math.

I am glad to see that the best of the best can still compete and be up there in spite of not tracking anymore.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:11 AM
 
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The selection process is different for this compared to the PISA tests.
In PISA we are #31 in Math.

I am glad to see that the best of the best can still compete and be up there in spite of not tracking anymore.
Let's simplify it a bit. The PISA tests measures the average of each country and then compares it to other countries while the IMO measures the top 0.1%, but only those interested in math. Despite claims we have taken away our attention from the top end, competitions such as IMO prove otherwise.

~never-more
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:27 AM
 
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But I thought the USA had a horrible education system and surely was ranked towards the bottom. How is it that they are in the top 5 all but one year?

I am surprised North Korea, a place that executes people for making international phone calls, even participates.
There's some hint: among 6 team members of USA in 2012, 5 are Asians and 1 is Jew.
So their family may not raise them "American way".
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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But I thought the USA had a horrible education system and surely was ranked towards the bottom. How is it that they are in the top 5 all but one year?

I am surprised North Korea, a place that executes people for making international phone calls, even participates.
I doubt the American kids were enrolled in a typical working or middle class public school.

One can get a world class education in America, if the parents are willing/able to pay for it.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:51 AM
 
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There's some hint: among 6 team members of USA in 2012, 5 are Asians and 1 is Jew.
So their family may not raise them "American way".
Check the Olympiad's Hall of Fame. If anything, Asians are significantly underrepresented despite their bluster about being so superior:

International Mathematical Olympiad

In the top ten, for example, only one Asian appears, and only three in the top twenty.
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