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As a VB native who sees this on the news daily. Can say you're wrong even the vbps lawyer said the statement, which was released first on twitter, should not have been released under this waiver. As for the reporter that's just how he is on every case. I really think you should sit back and read the child who's record was released and suspended never left his yard. Even the 911 call backs that up. There was one one witness at the hearing, and even that person said the child never left his yard.
I don't think anyone here (but you) is debating whether or not the child left his yard. It's irrelevant. If I stand in MY YARD on MY PROPERTY, take a shotgun and shoot a man standing in the road or on the sidewalk, that's illegal. If I stand in MY YARD on MY PROPERTY and do any number of other illegal things, they're still illegal. Being in my yard does not allow me to commit illegal acts.
The school is involved in this instance rightfully because the incident happened to other children on their way to school, waiting for a school bus at a school bus stop.
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The children being shot at were waiting for the bus, children shouldn't have to be afraid to wait for the bus.
I taught middle school a long time, a kid at the beginning of 7th grade who has been suspended 6 times is bad, bad news. He probably should have already been at that alternative school. Without serious intervention this kid is a future felon.
This. Sounds like next to NO sound parenting is going on at this house. This boy may have no chance of a future unless someone gets through to him NOW. If he's had 6 suspensions and nothing has gotten through, they are at the point of having to do something drastic both to try to intervene with him and also to protect other students. Suspensions are not handed out over minor infractions. It's for things like fighting, violence against other students, drugs, extreme bullying. For a kid to have that much of a record shows there is something serious going on here.
I don't think anyone here (but you) is debating whether or not the child left his yard. It's irrelevant. If I stand in MY YARD on MY PROPERTY, take a shotgun and shoot a man standing in the road or on the sidewalk, that's illegal. If I stand in MY YARD on MY PROPERTY and do any number of other illegal things, they're still illegal. Being in my yard does not allow me to commit illegal acts.
The school is involved in this instance rightfully because the incident happened to other children on their way to school, waiting for a school bus at a school bus stop.
This. Sounds like next to NO sound parenting is going on at this house. This boy may have no chance of a future unless someone gets through to him NOW. If he's had 6 suspensions and nothing has gotten through, they are at the point of having to do something drastic both to try to intervene with him and also to protect other students. Suspensions are not handed out over minor infractions. It's for things like fighting, violence against other students, drugs, extreme bullying. For a kid to have that much of a record shows there is something serious going on here.
The air soft gun can not shoot 70 yards, so the fact he was in his yard means he didn't do what is being said. Therefore it does matter.
The air soft gun can not shoot 70 yards, so the fact he was in his yard means he didn't do what is being said. Therefore it does matter.
If he shot the students from his yard while they were WALKING TO SCHOOL PAST HIS YARD it matters.
And there is no doubt, regardless of where he was standing, that he shot other students on their way to school. Maybe they were at the bus, maybe they were walking to the bus, past his house. It is the same thing.
The air soft gun can not shoot 70 yards, so the fact he was in his yard means he didn't do what is being said. Therefore it does matter.
I don't know if that is true or not. Where did you get the information on the range of this particular gun. The rifles can shoot over 85 yards, but I cannot find information on this airsoft zombie gun.
This world has become so damn PC that it is insane. Kids get kicked out of school for DRAWING something that looks like a gun, and one kid even because he ate a cookie or cracker that was in the shape of a gun. For GOD SAKE, when I was in HS guys drove their pickup trucks TO school, with the windows down, and the gun rack mounted in the back with a gun or two on it and NOONE ever did anything bad at school! Then again, when we did something wrong, we got our backsides beat with a switch too....and IF you DARE get in trouble AT school...not only did the principal give you 3 licks, but you got more from your folks when you got home....now the parents SUE!!!!
It sounds to me like the school board took pretty reasonable actions to take care of a problem. Kids have a right to be able to wait at the school bus stop without getting shot at with airsoft guns. This had apparently been going on for some time, and some people were getting fed up with it and called the cops. Hopefully the kid learned his lesson and will be back in school next semester.
It sounds to me like the school board took pretty reasonable actions to take care of a problem. Kids have a right to be able to wait at the school bus stop without getting shot at with airsoft guns. This had apparently been going on for some time, and some people were getting fed up with it and called the cops. Hopefully the kid learned his lesson and will be back in school next semester.
I agree.
Thanks for adding the letter from the school board.
Every word of that letter makes sense. However, I seriously doubt mom intended that waiver to mean they could discuss her sweet little snowflake's past discipline issues. When the media trots out these stories the school is not usually allowed to defend themselves, because the student's privacy must be protected. Most of these stories have a past history that if people knew, it would change their opinion of who is right or wrong. I wish anytime some parent decides the vilify a school in media, meaning they have identified their child, that it meant the school could truthfully give their side too. If she were really concerned about protecting her child's privacy she would have never taken this to the media in the first place.
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It sounds to me like the school board took pretty reasonable actions to take care of a problem. Kids have a right to be able to wait at the school bus stop without getting shot at with airsoft guns. This had apparently been going on for some time, and some people were getting fed up with it and called the cops. Hopefully the kid learned his lesson and will be back in school next semester.
It is doubtful he will have learned his lesson. For one thing, he has a mother screaming to the rafters that her child didn't do anything wrong. Secondly, his history indicates a child that probably has some serious underlying issues and little concern for the well-being of others. I'm just glad this happened before he had a real gun with real bullets.
Every word of that letter makes sense. However, I seriously doubt mom intended that waiver to mean they could discuss her sweet little snowflake's past discipline issues. When the media trots out these stories the school is not usually allowed to defend themselves, because the student's privacy must be protected. Most of these stories have a past history that if people knew, it would change their opinion of who is right or wrong. I wish anytime some parent decides the vilify a school in media, meaning they have identified their child, that it meant the school could truthfully give their side too. If she were really concerned about protecting her child's privacy she would have never taken this to the media in the first place.
It is doubtful he will have learned his lesson. For one thing, he has a mother screaming to the rafters that her child didn't do anything wrong. Secondly, his history indicates a child that probably has some serious underlying issues and little concern for the well-being of others. I'm just glad this happened before he had a real gun with real bullets.
I totally agree, especially with your last paragraph. I see it all the time where I work as a teacher, parents who believe that their child did "nothing wrong" when it is clearly something that 99 % of the population feel would be wrong/inappropriate behavior.
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