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Old 08-24-2014, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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How does it happen? Teachers unions.
Strongly disagree. It is not solely the school's job to educate. Parents have to take major responsibility in the educational process by teaching at home.

If parents do have books at home and do not read to their kids or take them to libraries, they will start off at huge disadvantage.
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Old 08-24-2014, 10:03 AM
 
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In my city 75% of public high school graduates attending public college need remedial math, reading, and writing classes before they can take mainstream courses. This is nothing new. And if you consider that those are the kids motivated to go on to college, the actual numbers are probably much worse. For years my kids attended local schools that would be considered "struggling" and it was a real eye opener to see how academically weak the students were. For example, plenty of kids in 5th grade even going on to 8th could barely read. They were grades behind in math. These weren't bad kids, a lot of them tried hard and wanted to succeed but just couldn't. The teachers (who were for the most part good, dedicated teachers) grow emotionally attached to them, feel bad for them, so pass them on to the next grade. I mean what else are you going to do? Once a kid is held back 2, 3 times you're looking at a teenager in a class with 9 year olds.

Maybe there are some kids who just can't handle the work and we should change the curriculum to better suit their needs instead of having expectations that constantly hold them up a failures.

I had a friend who taught an adult remedial writing class... the final exam was to write a single grammatically correct sentence. And most of her students still failed.
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Old 08-24-2014, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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We're only fooling ourselves in the long run.

How is using audio books in English class "more rigorous" ?
How is handing out calculators and formula charts in Math class "more rigorous" ?
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:07 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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I had a friend who taught an adult remedial writing class... the final exam was to write a single grammatically correct sentence. And most of her students still failed.
How many of those students were educated in this country?
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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lol -- I just thought of someone using the "F" word in all of it's forms to create a grammatically correct sentence.
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Old 08-24-2014, 02:32 PM
 
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How many of those students were educated in this country?
Well, they were adults in a remedial class! Old writing habits, even bad ones, are hard to break!
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Old 08-24-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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blame the legislatures in every state for getting involved in curriculum development and setting standards then failing to provide the resources and money to accomplish what they have outlined...and often not following through with enforcing those standards

PS retired English teacher here--
someone we worked with who was a part time reading instructor said that if child hasn't learned to read with fluency and comprehension by time s/he is 7 or 8 it can be almost impossible to remediate and bring them to proper age level ability...and she was working with hs sophomores and juniors to pass the TX competency ELA test--at that time TAKS--
now has different name but same issues with older students not reading anywhere close to grade level...
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Old 08-25-2014, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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I'm from Connecticut and we most definitely had an exit exam.
I am a teacher in Connecticut and have a son who is in high school. Connecticut does not have any exit exam and never has.
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Old 08-25-2014, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Only 24 states have exit exams.


And that's "many"...more than half.

Apparently your school had no exit exam in math.
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Old 08-25-2014, 05:10 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Apparently your school had no exit exam in math.
...and yours must not have had one in English. Re-read the posts.
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