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Old 09-23-2014, 05:30 PM
 
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When i was a sophomore in high school (this goes back to 1978) I was a mediocre and uninspired student, tho i actually never failed any classes (loads of progress reports tho)

one course in particular i had trouble with was Biology. I would get progress reports, go for some tutoring with the teacher, then do better, then do worse, etc

in those days you needed a 65.0 average(or at least a 64.5) for a passing grade of "C". my average for the year came out to a 64.3 or a 64.4

my mom and the teacher chatted about the idea of my going to summer school to take the class over. i didn't yet have my driver's license and my mom had things to do that summer so she couldn't drive me to summer class

the teacher ended up just passing me with the 64.5 or 65. he knew i had been struggling for the year. i know. i listened to the phone convo between him and my mom!!

my question is if a teacher did that today would they be subject to scrutiny by the school superintendent or department head?

incidentally i turned myself around almost a decade after and by '87 i was studying to be a social worker, and i still am today
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Old 09-23-2014, 05:42 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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To answer your question, No. Not if the teacher is smart how they do it.

With grading computerized you can go in and manipulate some grades here and there, a 60 becomes a 62, a 70 becomes a 71, etc. Build the grade up a little here and a little there.

Most systems don't finalize the grades in the quarter until the reporting period is locked.

This is theoretical of course. I've never done it. No, I can't lie. I have. Kid sits through class all year and is working his best and gets a 59 and can't graduate. He gets some help. Game, set, match.

Now, I know the Furies are going to descend on me soon. But ask yourself what greater good is served by making that kid come for another year.
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Old 09-23-2014, 05:48 PM
 
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I can only imagine the tech advances that have developed since 1978 regarding grading and progress reports etc. Ill bet everything is computerized now. i don't have any kids so I wouldnt know
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Old 09-23-2014, 05:54 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Even in the old days with a paper gradebook you could do it. Add the numbers take the average then record the grade on the scan sheet. It would be what it would be. No one really ever checked gradebooks unless there was an appeal.

I know people don't want to believe this but there are kids out there (always have been) for whom a 50% is an A. In the old days they were grouped with similar ability students and the whole class got lessons which reflected their level. Since we only group now for AP and SPED you have honors kids mixed with kids who can't spell Bob if you spot them the Bs.
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Old 09-23-2014, 06:08 PM
 
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No. My nephew slacked off, barely did homework and never opened a book throughout high school and still graduated. It costs the school district too much money to hold kids back, so they pass everyone and push them through.
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Old 09-23-2014, 08:23 PM
 
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i wonder if there is a nationwide or state passing grade. do you think a 65 still equals a passing "C". back in grade school a 70 was a C. you always needed a C to pass. a D or F were failures
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Old 09-23-2014, 08:26 PM
 
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I may have had ADD in those days and being a loner and tense affected my grades. but psychological testing showed i had no learning disability. the psychologist told my mom she had to be less focused on achievement. that really pissed her off!
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Old 09-23-2014, 08:28 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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I had a friend who used to tell me all the time "They can't give you what God never gave them." She's right. If it isn't an honors' classes, if they try, if they don't have a crappy attitude, if I feel they gave it their best shot - I have never, and would never, fail a student in that situation. I taught in high risk schools before, and after I had a kid start crying in the middle of a test because both his mother and aunt had been arrested the night before and he was worried no adults would be home to feed him and his siblings supper, I decided I would give away a D to any kid who cared enough about school to express that they did not want to fail.

Now A's and B's, that is a different story - those have to be earned.
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Old 09-25-2014, 09:02 PM
 
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There are times when there simply is no justice in forcing a student to retake the class.
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The program we have allows a teacher to override a student's grade. I can change the student's percentage, the student's letter grade (which is what is factored into the GPA), or both. Every year, I will override at least one student's grade under the following conditions:
- The student is within 1% of the grade needed/desired.
- the student has a clean attendance record -- no unexcused absences, no excessive tardies.
- the student has turned in ALL of his/her work.
- the student put forth a quality effort on the final exam.
- the student has exhibited the qualities of a good student -- eg. the student has come in for extra help, the student has gone for tutoring, the student has paid attention in class, the student has behaved in class, etc.

In my AP class, I will change a student's grade if the student is within 3% of the next grade AND gets a "5" on the AP exam. The school will allow me to submit a grade change at the beginning of the next school year.

Every year I get requests/sob stories from students (my favorite: "If I get a 'B' in this class, I won't be able to go to the college I want, and I will not meet my future husband there). If they don't meet all of the criteria above, they won't get consideration. When they ask, "What can I do to make my grade better?" I answer by saying, "First, build a time machine...."
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