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Well I'll be. Except for a few outliers, there are some conclusions from this study that correlate very closely with some other things. But these "other things" can't be talked about honestly when discussing educational outcomes.
Well they can be discussed but the conversation will devolve into someone (not me) calling you a racist.
Well I'll be. Except for a few outliers, there are some conclusions from this study that correlate very closely with some other things. But these "other things" can't be talked about honestly when discussing educational outcomes.
I've read articles that suggest the changing demographic of America is reflected in the scores.
It's not that we are performing lower but that the lower performing groups are growing in numbers.
Analysis of the US PISA scores also showed the same thing.
All these tests provide demographic breakdown with their scores.
I've read articles that suggest the changing demographic of America is reflected in the scores.
It's not that we are performing lower but that the lower performing groups are growing in numbers.
Analysis of the US PISA scores also showed the same thing.
All these tests provide demographic breakdown with their scores.
In general, I think this is true. That's not to say that demographics are destiny, but when you're dealing with a large, multiethnic, multireligious, multilingual, and poorer student enrollment, scores tend to be lower than more homogeneous and wealthier student enrollments. This plays out over and over on district, state, and national levels.
In general, I think this is true. That's not to say that demographics are destiny, but when you're dealing with a large, multiethnic, multireligious, multilingual, and poorer student enrollment, scores tend to be lower than more homogeneous and wealthier student enrollments. This plays out over and over on district, state, and national levels.
And that's why I don't get caught up with all this 'crisis in America' talk when it comes to education.
We don't have a crisis, we have a changing demographic.
And while that particular demographic has lower scores, they are much improved over time.
They are catching up just not as quickly.
In general, I think this is true. That's not to say that demographics are destiny, but when you're dealing with a large, multiethnic, multireligious, multilingual, and poorer student enrollment, scores tend to be lower than more homogeneous and wealthier student enrollments. This plays out over and over on district, state, and national levels.
Exactly. It's not that the teachers or curriculum are sooo much worse in the low-ranking states, it's that these states have a large percentage of low SES students who, for understandable reasons, do not score as well as their higher SES counterparts on standardized tests. Schools with less than 10% poverty rate score #1 on the PISA, while schools with >75% score second to last.
I'm not sure it's PC to say that, but it is what it is.
I think what is more telling is the decrease of funding that has gone into schools over the last several years. Schools are expected to do more with less. The burden also falls on parents to pay extra fees for their kids to participate in labs or extra-curricular activities. Some districts now even charge for parking on school grounds and for busing. This is a problem that is only going to get worse. I've included a link that shows numbers more in depth.
The Southern Education Foundation reports that 51 percent of students in pre-kindergarten through 12th grade in the 2012-2013 school year were eligible for the federal program that provides free and reduced-price lunches. The lunch program is a rough proxy for poverty, but the explosion in the number of needy children in the nation’s public classrooms is a recent phenomenon that has been gaining attention among educators, public officials and researchers.
“We’ve all known this was the trend, that we would get to a majority, but it’s here sooner rather than later,” said Michael A. Rebell of the Campaign for Educational Equity at Teachers College at Columbia University, noting that the poverty rate has been increasing even as the economy has improved.
With a changing demographic shouldn't the goals change as well ? Right now it's college bound, academic with a push into STEM.
IMO, STEM is not just being pushed from above, it's also from our culture and we parents. I certainly want my kids first and foremost to be happy in their life's work and I don't care so much if it's building houses or working in an office but everything you see in the media points to white collar jobs = smarter people. So if you start off with that equivalent, add in more money = more happiness, than you are going to end up with STEM careers.
Our school district supports an excellent tech school but STILL the kids that go there are more the outliers and not the mainstream. It's not cool to go to tech school. Now, the tech school kids can take classes at the local CC, because the campuses adjoin, but the ones that attend the regular school may be able to take classes at the local well regarded four year colleges.
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