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Old 03-20-2015, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Originally Posted by TabulaRasa View Post
Indeed. Music is HIGHY mathematic.
No it isn't. It is mathematical, of course, but not in any way near the way long division is. It is much more Art than Applied Mathematics. And so what? I find the sub-discussion on Music vs. History emblematic of America's problem with education. IMO it shouldn't be either or. A child should have equal helpings of ALL the STEM subjects AND all the Humanities. That is what leads to a well rounded human being who can then specialize in whatever they are innately drawn to. The desperate race to beat Europe in International Competitiveness is leading American educators to cut, cut, cut away anything that does not force concentration on the CORE subjects of readin', writin' n' arithmetic. Truthfully that was all America ever cared about and the more we fall behind the more we double down on this failed path towards excellence. Children should have english and math and science and foreign language and music and art and physical education and this should be funded to the hilt. Anything less is doomed to fail.

H

 
Old 03-20-2015, 10:19 AM
 
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I think we should spend that same amount of time on math, maybe more. I just dont think long division should have the priority over other area's in math.
It's one of the four fundamental operations in arithmetic, and it reinforces all of the other three. It should be emphasized until the student has a firm grasp on it, like any other fundamental process in mathematics.
 
Old 03-20-2015, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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PS - saying long division isn't important because we have calculators is as dumb as saying teaching spelling isn't important because we have spell checkers on computers.
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What could be more important than basic math skills? Are we going to cut out spelling too since we have spell-check?
Good point!

Just look at C-D forum. They don't know the difference between "there", "their", and "they're". Now they can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're".

And they say there's no "dumbing down" going on in America!
 
Old 03-20-2015, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Good point!

Just look at C-D forum. They don't know the difference between "there", "their", and "they're". Now they can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're".

And they say there's no "dumbing down" going on in America!
Or 'lose' and 'loose', my personal pet peeve...
 
Old 03-20-2015, 10:50 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Basic arithmetic is always useful just like basic grammar and spelling. You won't always have technology to help you.
 
Old 03-20-2015, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Springfield
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Or 'lose' and 'loose', my personal pet peeve...
Here's my pet peeve:

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Once a student already knows basic division, the next step should be teaching them with a calculator.
 
Old 03-20-2015, 11:49 AM
 
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Haha, I don't think people realize how important music is. And studies show musicians are actually better at Math-the subjects are more closely related than you realize.

The interesting connection between math and music

The Correlation Between Music and Math: A Neurobiology Perspective | Serendip Studio

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ns-smarter-you

But my gripe was on revised history, which can be worse than not learning about history at all.
" And studies show musicians are actually better at Math-the subjects are more closely related than you realize.'

I won't refute your claim because I don't know anything about it.

I will say, I know a LOT of people who are excellent in math and can't do a lick of music.

Most people who are musically proficient don't need much "teaching". You either have an "ear" for music or you don't.
 
Old 03-20-2015, 11:59 AM
 
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No it isn't. It is mathematical, of course, but not in any way near the way long division is. It is much more Art than Applied Mathematics. And so what? I find the sub-discussion on Music vs. History emblematic of America's problem with education. IMO it shouldn't be either or. A child should have equal helpings of ALL the STEM subjects AND all the Humanities. That is what leads to a well rounded human being who can then specialize in whatever they are innately drawn to. The desperate race to beat Europe in International Competitiveness is leading American educators to cut, cut, cut away anything that does not force concentration on the CORE subjects of readin', writin' n' arithmetic. Truthfully that was all America ever cared about and the more we fall behind the more we double down on this failed path towards excellence. Children should have english and math and science and foreign language and music and art and physical education and this should be funded to the hilt. Anything less is doomed to fail.

H
In principle, I agree with you.

Except money is NOT the total answer.

Wash. D.C. has the HIGHEST dollar spent per child in the country and is one of the WORST in achievement.

Parochial schools out perform most public schools at a much lower cost per student.

Home schooled children consistently out perform most public school children.
 
Old 03-20-2015, 12:49 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Yes, we should teach long division, for a few reasons...
Agreed. Long division is one of the most complex math skills a child will learn. The reason its reviewed so many times (grades 3, 4, 5) is that because of its many steps, it takes longer to master.

Another reason students say that they "hate math" or "are not good at math" when they get to the upper grades is that they never mastered long division.
 
Old 03-20-2015, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Long Neck , DE
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Volobjectitarian, I agree 100%.

The mind is like a muscle. It has to be exercised or it will atrophy.
Exactly they need to use their brain.
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