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Old 05-07-2015, 11:09 AM
 
Location: midwest
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Short answer:

It's what the public demands.
Bullsh!t!!! It is what we are stuck with after the bureaucrats muck it up.

psik
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Old 05-07-2015, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Middle America
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The public chooses the bureaucrats.
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Old 05-07-2015, 12:15 PM
 
Location: midwest
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The public chooses the bureaucrats.
And what percentage of the voters know enough about the bureaucrats to make rational decisions about them? I randomly choose between Republicans and Democrats for all of the offices I am not about to spend time studying.

Democracy is the opiate of the people.

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Old 05-07-2015, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Bullsh!t!!! It is what we are stuck with after the bureaucrats muck it up.

psik

Calm down.

The public demands that teachers be held "accountable" for students not performing.

The politicians respond with high stakes standardized testing, which becomes the only measure of performance for teachers, schools, districts.

The testing companies rake in $billions annually that formerly went to schools and classrooms.

The now underfunded schools degrade. Testing companies lobby for more testing. Politicians respond with more testing, calling it NCLB, Common Core, etc.

Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Old 05-07-2015, 03:13 PM
 
Location: NM
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Exactly. The government wants its subjects dumb and ill-prepared to function without its "guidence". It is easier to manipulate voters who don't question authority or understand its rights.
Which government? Local/State/Federal? Most of the action when it comes to education starts at the State and Local levels, they're the players mainly responsible for why our system is so damn dysfunctional.
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Old 05-07-2015, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
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Education in this country is a complete joke. It reminds me of the standards on tv with reality tv sinking so far....kardashians, real housewives. Public education is about as low as that IMO.

-Subjects are rushed through at 80 mph. A key question....is the quality of the material learned important, or the speed at which you go through it? It seems like they are really obsessed with speed. You have to crank everyone out every 6 months or year to say they mastered the material. I don't think it works like that.

Subjects like math are a mess. They need to teach fundamentals and building blocks. They need to go into how people learn or why. I.e. some people are "Math phobic". Is that real? Assuming everyone processes information the same way is lunacy. About as crazy as thinking the earth will spin sideways.

-The obsession with putting everyone on a college and academic track is also lunacy. It's reaching it's limit. You see that in low wages after highschool, college dropout rates, etc.

Our policy towards Cuba was wrong for 50 years. Our public education policy is just as boneheaded. We've got to admit that something is wrong and change course.
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Old 05-07-2015, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The public chooses the bureaucrats.
But not the appointed ones.
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Old 05-07-2015, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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And what percentage of the voters know enough about the bureaucrats to make rational decisions about them?
Whose fault is that?

People get the representation they deserve.
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Old 05-07-2015, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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But not the appointed ones.
They choose the ones who are responsible for filling the appointed offices, though.
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Old 05-07-2015, 04:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
Calm down.

The public demands that teachers be held "accountable" for students not performing.

The politicians respond with high stakes standardized testing, which becomes the only measure of performance for teachers, schools, districts.

The testing companies rake in $billions annually that formerly went to schools and classrooms.

The now underfunded schools degrade. Testing companies lobby for more testing. Politicians respond with more testing, calling it NCLB, Common Core, etc.

Lather, rinse, repeat.
Too bad the teachers can't demand parents be held responsible for the same.
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