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No, you should write more carefully. You implied the punishment was what was potential and the rules to use "se" already the certainty. You cut and pasted the last sentence and ignored the three before.
You're not reading carefully either. I included the relevant sentence that uses the word "expulsion" that the other guy was complaining about and demanding proof of.
But we're getting off topic. I'm proposing that you people just start using the word "ze" and not force anyone else to. If it catches on, it catches on. If not, let it go and don't go running to the PC police at your university.
I think these things are all ridiculous. I get it that you may want to be a transgender person, ok fine...
This part of your post made me pause and angered me, and I was ready to be annoying toward you...("people don't 'want to be' transgender...they just are")...
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...but now with like 80+ gender options on Facebook, you have lunatics doing stuff a la "I want to identify has part human, part asexual butterfly, part cyborg. Refer to me as zerglbhhhsht."
BUT...this ^^^part of your post made me laugh so hard that I have become a fan of yours!!
You're not reading carefully either. I included the relevant sentence that uses the word "expulsion" that the other guy was complaining about and demanding proof of.
But we're getting off topic. I'm proposing that you people just start using the word "ze" and not force anyone else to. If it catches on, it catches on. If not, let it go and don't go running to the PC police at your university.
You haven't shown that anyone forced anyone to do anything. You're the one making he positive claim that universities are already requiring this of their students. Evidence?
And no one here is forcing anyone to do anything.
As for usage, behold the power of societal pressure. It's only by talking about the emotional effect of words that we have made it unacceptable to use words like "retarded" and encouraged the proper use of terms like "Asian" as opposed to oriental. Whining about is the truly selfish act not mentioning that it is more inclusive to be sensitive as opposed to an indignant twit.
"It" is not a word that humans use for other humans. You have already made your disdain for transgender people very clear, not sure why you need to keep reiterating.
"When your baby is born, are you going to breast-feed it?"
If that still rings badly, try "When the fetus is removed, what do they do with it?"
Or will you insist on "I dropped the egg and he or she broke".
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There is no such institution, but there are a lot of universities that collectively can carry a lot of weight by threatening students with disciplinary action if they use the wrong pronoun. Remember, failure to say "ze" under circumstances decided by the university equates with "hate speech". Punishment presumably could include expulsion for chronic cases.
This is what you wrote (emphasis mine).
Do you have any evidence that any public university in the United States is punishing, threatening, or expelling students for not using specific pronouns? Yes or No?
You haven't shown that anyone forced anyone to do anything. You're the one making he positive claim that universities are already requiring this of their students. Evidence?
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This is what you wrote (emphasis mine).
Do you have any evidence that any public university in the United States is punishing, threatening, or expelling students for not using specific pronouns? Yes or No?
I'm guessing it's no.
You hall monitors are way too into this "gotcha" game. It's well known that college campuses are hotbeds of speech codes and I see no reason that alternative pronouns, which are very new, shouldn't be included in speech codes at some point if they aren't already.
Again, just start using made-up pronouns on your own, if you haven't already, and let it catch on naturally. That's my main point.
You hall monitors are way too into this "gotcha" game. It's well known that college campuses are hotbeds of speech codes and I see no reason that alternative pronouns, which are very new, shouldn't be included in speech codes at some point if they aren't already.
Again, just start using made-up pronouns on your own, if you haven't already, and let it catch on naturally. That's my main point.
So, no, you have no evidence.
You think it's "gotcha," I call it intellectual dishonesty. I don't go around making "factual" claims I can't back up, and I suggest you do the same.
"Ze" is a new word, and new words serve new functions. "It" is a pronoun that is NOT used in reference to people unless the intention is to be offensive or to determine something, ie "Who is it?" "It's me."
If you call a person "it" YOU are choosing to be demeaning to that person. It's not particularly difficult to understand.
Not everyone accepts gender identity as a real thing though.
And I addressed it. If someone refuses to use a person's preferred pronoun - which might even be "ze" rather than"he" or "she" - that person has already made their stance clear.
I'm sorry, but if you're going to demand me to call you by a specific pronoun, you can keep walking and find someone else to talk to.
And then I'm sure said person will have an emotional breakdown because I refused to talk to them.
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