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..................OP, charter schools don't get "the best" teachers, instead they're typically staffed with new graduates and those without certification.
And why would those not be the best? Like most people you assume that certification is indicative of teaching ability, or maybe motivation, or perhaps even talent.
It's not. It's just a cachet from a system that has already shown it does not work.
And why would those not be the best? Like most people you assume that certification is indicative of teaching ability, or maybe motivation, or perhaps even talent.
It's not. It's just a cachet from a system that has already shown it does not work.
The guy made an incorrect statement. I corrected him.
Generally, charter schools perform no better, and in many cases worse, than the schools form which they're drawing their population.
You're right, certification isn't a guarantee, but it is at least a marker that someone has successfully completed a prescribed course of study as well as passing various tests to earn the certification.
As far as the system "not working". Ok. I've been hearing that my entire life. I'm in my 60s.
That being said, obviously there is a wide divide in the country (many, but not enough apparently, would like universal health care). But in Quebec, we pay about 40% overall tax for things like free childcare to all (the poor and the rich). Such a thing would not be acceptable in the USA, even for more left-leaning attitudes. That's what I mean.
And all that fine Finnish education has of course produced that world-famous... scholar...intellectual...inventor...writer...artis t...tech wizard...scientist....uh, (struggling to come up with any current outstanding person from Finland)
Or a product invented/perfected there. Mediocrity. Worked good in The Soviet Union, and required in the Soviet satellites.
In 2011 Time Magazine recognized Peter as one of the most influential people in the World in their TIME 100 Listing.
Finnish scientists recently discovered a vaccine to cure allergies Forbes Welcome
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Scientists at the University of Eastern Finland led by Professor Juhu Rouvinen, in cooperation with Professors Kristiina Takkinen and Hans Söderlun from VTT, a technical research center in Finland, discovered unique IgE‐binding structures in allergens. They say these structures can be genetically modified so they do not bind IgE anymore, but they can still induce the production of the immunoglobulin G (IgG).
In a small Finland town around 62 miles into the Arctic Circle, experts at The Finnish Meteorological Institute Arctic Research Centre are looking for signs of upcoming displays of Northern Lights in our skies. The centre has helped develop 'Auroras Now!', a space weather service which uses all-sky cameras and magnetic field alarm systems to monitor auroral activity.
Inventions you did not know were Finnish
The IRC Chat Protocol
The electric solar sail
The first Internet Browser with a user interface (Erwise)
The circular lock
The Savonius wind turbine
The heart rate monitor
Researchers, at VTT Technical Centre of Finland, have devised an innovative mass production technique that allows the printing of ornate organic solar panels. Ushering solar energy into the domain of interior design, the technology provides a feasible and cost-effective way of producing the functional units as well as the decorative graphics. The panels, designed to harvest energy from both interior lighting and incident sunlight, are capable of powering a variety of small electronic devices and sensors.
I doubt a majority of Americans could correctly point to Finland on a map. Good luck getting buy-in from the American public for the Finnish education model.
The biggest problems keeping American education back from something like Finland are what others have identified -
1) A diverse population with much greater language challenges.
2) More poverty (relatively speaking)
and the most important -
3) No buy-in. You have MAJOR groups among the American population that are a big problem. The immigrant and poorer groups don't know how to navigate the system to their benefit and the system is not set up for equal access. In America more money = better education and opportunities. There are standout poorer systems, but they are the exceptions. The second major hindrance are the LARGE number of Americans who would like to reduce teacher salaries, not raise them. Or worse, make them into part-time workers.
I doubt a majority of Americans could correctly point to Finland on a map. Good luck getting buy-in from the American public for the Finnish education model.
The biggest problems keeping American education back from something like Finland are what others have identified -
1) A diverse population with much greater language challenges.
2) More poverty (relatively speaking)
and the most important -
3) No buy-in. You have MAJOR groups among the American population that are a big problem. The immigrant and poorer groups don't know how to navigate the system to their benefit and the system is not set up for equal access. In America more money = better education and opportunities. There are standout poorer systems, but they are the exceptions. The second major hindrance are the LARGE number of Americans who would like to reduce teacher salaries, not raise them. Or worse, make them into part-time workers.
Easy solution to beat Finland educationally: Abolish public education and replace it with a profit-driven private model where schools have to compete to get your money and your trust. Also more just since those that use the schools, pay for the schools, and control the schools.
Easy solution to beat Finland educationally: Abolish public education and replace it with a profit-driven private model where schools have to compete to get your money and your trust. Also more just since those that use the schools, pay for the schools, and control the schools.
We already have for-profit schools and they're garbage. They exist mostly to steal people's government benefits like Pell grants and GI bill money. We already have charter schools that have varying degrees of success.
We also have have private, not-for-profit schools (which does not necessarily mean they are not about making money). They compete on quality and the outcomes of their graduates. They also cost many thousands per year and only well-off people can afford them. The same actually applies to charters as well.
If we went all private for education the end result would be that a significant percentage of the population would just not get educated, or only to a very minimal degree what their parents could afford.
My property and state income taxes total out around $6000 per year and maybe half that at best goes toward education. Even saving on the taxes, there is no way $3K a year is going to get my kid into a decent private school. The public schools that operate lean require around $7500 per year per student, so I'd need that much just to break even.
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Easy solution to beat Finland educationally: Abolish public education and replace it with a profit-driven private model where schools have to compete to get your money and your trust. Also more just since those that use the schools, pay for the schools, and control the schools.
Nah, that's just the easy way to get a huge uneducated underclass. Competition in education is incredibly stupid, you want cooperation to share knowledge and methods that work to get decent education to all rather than decent education to just some. Having a large proportion of the population uneducated is not good for the country, for safety, for the economy.
Or a product invented/perfected there. Mediocrity. Worked good in The Soviet Union, and required in the Soviet satellites.
Already posted a list, as have others. Maybe you need to attend a Finnish school so you can learn to read and comprehend better.
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