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I've seen articles that pick out Mass. and Ct. because their PISA scores are higher than other states.
And almost all countries track students..academic or vocational. Only the academic track students are picked for PISA.
We don't track and all of our students are on the academic track which means all of our students are eligible to be picked for PISA.
I don't know why people angst over it. This is the path the US chose.
Exactly. Our system is different and if we tried to change it now, imagine the lawsuits and angst.
But they are still students on academic tracks aren't they ?
No. See below:
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Originally Posted by North Beach Person
Well, that's the way it's supposed to be. Our kids knew a week or two ahead of time because they were called to a meeting with the Testing Coordinator. Many of them thought they were going to a pizza party.
As I said, half of those tested were Special Ed, most of those were self-contained. Care to guess what the scores looked like?
He's said this twice now. I get that you and some others like to think American education is the pits and use arguments like yours to support that. In fact, that is the premise of this entire thread.
He's said this twice now. I get that you and some others like to think American education is the pits and use arguments like yours to support that. In fact, that is the premise of this entire thread.
Sped students are on academic tracks.
They take the state tests and everything. Accommodations are made for them.
Otherwise they are the same as any other student in K-12.
We cannot discriminate. Today very few SPED students are in self contained classrooms. They have been mainstreamed and should be treated as equals to the other students (with accommodations of course).
North Beach was pointing out that we in the US include SPED students when choosing who takes PISA exams.
Since they are on academic tracks there should be no angst over this.
SPED students would be included in Finland too as they're usually mainstreamed and so many kids get special education anyway they'd lose half the sample if they didn't include SPED. I bet other countries include them too except for ones that are in special schools.
SPED students would be included in Finland too as they're usually mainstreamed and so many kids get special education anyway they'd lose half the sample if they didn't include SPED. I bet other countries include them too except for ones that are in special schools.
Here in the US though we're still playing catchup with SPED students being in mainstream classes.
The test score gaps range from 30 to 60 points on state tests with regard to this subgroup.
We're making progress but very slowly.
Here in the US though we're still playing catchup with SPED students being in mainstream classes.
The test score gaps range from 30 to 60 points on state tests with regard to this subgroup.
We're making progress but very slowly.
Well progress does take time, took time for Finland too.
Americans would never tolerate school officials telling them their kid is simply not cut out for college and thus will never go. In France, that's what they tell you by the time you hit high school age. Heck it can happen by the end of collège which is kind of like our middle school. It's very demoralizing for the immigrant groups whose families lack the institutional knowledge to navigate the system effectively. That is part of the reason they're so angry and occasionally riot.
Finland is a special case. There are a number of reasons the Nordic / Scandinavian countries systems work that are not easily replicated elsewhere. It's primarily cultural at the core. The kind of societal ethos that exists in that area of the world does not exist in most of the U.S., that includes their philosophy of education.
They take the state tests and everything. Accommodations are made for them.
Otherwise they are the same as any other student in K-12.
We cannot discriminate. Today very few SPED students are in self contained classrooms. They have been mainstreamed and should be treated as equals to the other students (with accommodations of course).
North Beach was pointing out that we in the US include SPED students when choosing who takes PISA exams.
Since they are on academic tracks there should be no angst over this.
Not all of them. And as NBP said, half the students selected are special ed, most from self-contained classrooms, which is way out of proportion to their numbers.
Not all of them. And as NBP said, half the students selected are special ed, most from self-contained classrooms, which is way out of proportion to their numbers.
Are you alluding that it was done on purpose to bring down scores ?
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