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I don't hear it where I live in Colorado. But dialects evolve, yes. We muddle our ts in words like little and I'm sure someone somewhere in the past would have cringed at that, and certain British accents turn that into a glottal stop. So, nothing new under the sun..... one trend I hear on TV that really annoys me is vocal fry in young women in particular. A little bit of it I don't notice, but when pop singers even sing that way, just ugh! I can't stand the sound....
That is a real one that drives my mother nuts. I blame Kim Kardashian (seriously, listen to her for two minutes if you can stand it.) I don't notice it in speaking with people but I do notice it sometimes in entertainment.
Addendum: Just saw a commercial for RotoClipper where the narrator says " ... just push the buh-un ..." instead of "just push the but-un ..." There was no 't' in that word - not even close. I don't think it's regional.
I looked up the commercial, and the word button does sound awkward; however, I think the weirdness comes from a longer glottal stop than is typical for the pronunciation of the word here in America. When I say the word button aloud, I can clearly hear that I do not pronounce the T, but it's quite fast, so it sounds Midwestern American rather than working class British. Now that I know what you're hearing, I'll keep an ear out for it and try to report back.
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And even at the time (watching the movie as an upper Midwestern high schooler myself), I was hard pressed to think of anybody where I was who talked that way. I think I just chalked it up to "probably a SoCal thing."
Where I grew up, (some) people might way "warsh" instead of wash, but they call Elton John "Elton," not "El-in."
I knew I had read something about this awhile ago, and I finally found it.
My gg-grandmother was a Scotch-Irish immigrant from Northern Ireland, and I'm beginning to wonder if my father's use of the intrusive R is a remnant of her speech patterns passed down through his grandmother, with whom my dad spent much time as a youngster.
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That is a real one that drives my mother nuts. I blame Kim Kardashian (seriously, listen to her for two minutes if you can stand it.) I don't notice it in speaking with people but I do notice it sometimes in entertainment.
Vocal fry combined with up talk, which is the term used for sentences that rise in pitch at the end (as if the speaker is asking a question) is like fingernails on a chalkboard for me. It seems to be particularly prevalent among middle school girls in my part of the country.
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I know a lady, born in the 50's, from a white working class part of New Jersey who says "New-in" instead of "Newton" (the name of a town nearby).
People have written scholarly books about socio-economic and regional pronunciations of different words.
I can recall hearing the glottal stop in the US only recently and only two examples. One was a newscaster in Dallas (traffic or weather, I don't recall), who did it constantly. She presumably was from somewhere else.
The other relates to New Jersey, like the example in the quoted passage, specifically the state university of New Jersey (Rutgers). Apparently, lots of people in New Jersey replace the "t" with a glottal stop, and "Rutgers" comes out as "Ruckers".
In my region, you'll year "continennal," but "important" sounds like it looks.
Is your Irish background from Dublin? That's where I heard the most dropping of the "th." Not so much in other parts of the country.
I tend to overpronounce compared to others in my region, but it's from years of choral singing. Classical choral training requires the overemphasis of consonants, especially, because when singing with an 80-100 voice ensemble, all singers don't have very crisp consonants individually(overly crisp, actually), everything sounds muddy from the audience. So you go very much the other direction, and it sounds normal in the end, after reverb and everything.
Chicago got rid of the T long ago. Da bears! Da bulls!
That is more of a dialect. Like replacing these, them, those with deez, dem, doze. It is replacing the th sound with d.
The disappearing t seems to be a different situation.
Chicago got rid of the T long ago. Da bears! Da bulls!
That's an issue with the "th" digraph, not dropping the T in favor of a glottal stop, though. It's also increasingly less common outside of some older school white working class populations, and was never commonplace in Chicago's non-white populations.
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