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Old 02-11-2016, 01:43 PM
 
Location: The Midwest
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In my area its so you...ehem...are surrounded with people more in line ehem...with your standards and beliefs and....ehem....cough white cough.
Meh. You could say the same about the affluent suburban public schools. Usually when someone asks for "top public schools" on relocation forums like this, it's code for upper-middle class schools with majority white kids. They're probably not going to come out and say that, but the districts recommended in those discussions (when someone's top criteria for a neighborhood or suburb is public schools) are almost invariably upper-middle class, white or Asian.
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Old 02-11-2016, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Hmmm. I am also in the deep south and there are a good number of smart, respectable, well-behaved, hard working, college aspiring, kind and sweet African American children at my child's prep school. And many other ethnicities as well. Color of skin doesn't dictate standards and beliefs.
Oh please. In a City where we have something like 60% white these schools are close to 95% white.

Heres one of them in my area. Mostly white with a few token non whites for the demographics card.
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Old 02-11-2016, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Meh. You could say the same about the affluent suburban public schools. Usually when someone asks for "top public schools" on relocation forums like this, it's code for upper-middle class schools with majority white kids. They're probably not going to come out and say that, but the districts recommended in those discussions (when someone's top criteria for a neighborhood or suburb is public schools) are almost invariably upper-middle class, white or Asian.
I disagree. For one thing, why should parents not want good schools for their kids? Why assume everyone is a closet racist while you're at it?
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Old 02-11-2016, 02:10 PM
 
Location: The Midwest
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I disagree. For one thing, why should parents not want good schools for their kids? Why assume everyone is a closet racist while you're at it?
Ask thatguydownsouth. He's the one that suggested parents choose private schools simply because of the racial factor, and I pointed out that the public schools people clamor for usually aren't bastions of diversity, either...

I guess what I'm suggesting is that if we declare that parents are sending their kids to private schools simply because of the racial factor, then we should probably apply that same logic to the parents who choose the top-performing public schools, too.

(Not that I agree with either of those statements. You're right- parents should want good schools for their kids. But good schools in most cases merely means good demographics.

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Old 02-11-2016, 03:42 PM
 
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. And the proper words are "you're" and "their," it's an education forum for goodness' sake. [/quote]
If this is your best defense for these criminals you support, I feel sorry for you.
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Old 02-11-2016, 04:00 PM
 
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Oh please. In a City where we have something like 60% white these schools are close to 95% white.

Heres one of them in my area. Mostly white with a few token non whites for the demographics card.
bollesschool
It must be different where you are... the top private High School near me is very diverse...

See my post 40.

//www.city-data.com/forum/42912924-post40.html

The thing that is elite is nearly all, 97%, go on to college...
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Old 02-11-2016, 04:21 PM
 
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Christian Catholic Schools here are tops at college prep...

Bishop O Dowd is the local Catholic High School located in East Oakland California.

Bishop O'Dowd High School - Home Page

295 students graduated and 286 went on to college.

Bishop O'Dowd High School - School Profile

Again, this is an inner city school that draws student far and wide... even from suburbia.

22% African American
11% Asian
42% European White
14% Latino
10% other

30% receive financial aid...
In 2013, they had 258 graduates, only 150 took the ACT. They scored 24.2, above the national average but nothing to brag about. If every graduate would've taken the test, the average most likely would be lower.
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Old 02-11-2016, 04:48 PM
 
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I disagree. For one thing, why should parents not want good schools for their kids? Why assume everyone is a closet racist while you're at it?
Because many are. In my childhood, catholic schools quietly used people's fears of blacks to their advantage. Now, while they have become more diverse, their enrollment is still enhanced by people wanting to escape "less desirable" kids they have not even met. I know my experiences as the mom of black child are never worthy to posters here, but I will state my opinion again. Too many people whether dealing with diverse races or socioeconomics are quick to think the worst of public schools that aren't homogeneous. To be fair, many are simply being snobs, many sadly are just keeping up with the Jones'. I can't tell you how many people I've seen struggle to maintain an expensive lifestyle because they insisted on public schools in an upper crust town. It's not just reaching for the mortgage that kills them, but affording what's needed for their kids to not be outsiders.

As for what are good schools....I think most public schools are good. Unfortunately, they are judged by the percentage of students who aren't getting the educational support and encouragement at home or being judged on family income. I've accepted that is how people think. But I'll still defend schools. If failing schools still offer more extracurriculars than the private schools and still get kids into good colleges (no matter how few), then I know the opportunity is there. You sound like an involved parent so you should know it's not so much "wanting good schools" as it is "making good schools" through support for your child and the school system.
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Old 02-11-2016, 04:54 PM
 
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It must be different where you are... the top private High School near me is very diverse...

See my post 40.

//www.city-data.com/forum/42912924-post40.html

The thing that is elite is nearly all, 97%, go on to college...
Of course they do...they don't allow in kids who don't have college in their future.
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Old 02-11-2016, 04:56 PM
 
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Ask thatguydownsouth. He's the one that suggested parents choose private schools simply because of the racial factor, and I pointed out that the public schools people clamor for usually aren't bastions of diversity, either...

I guess what I'm suggesting is that if we declare that parents are sending their kids to private schools simply because of the racial factor, then we should probably apply that same logic to the parents who choose the top-performing public schools, too.

(Not that I agree with either of those statements. You're right- parents should want good schools for their kids. But good schools in most cases merely means good demographics.
Bingo
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