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This is such a huge straw man that it's beyond ridiculous to throw out there. I guess you think anyone who lives somewhere you don't is just a hillbilly hick. Uh, yuh, yuh, yuh, we'uns' is sureeee lucky to has reeley smart folks to tell us how ig-no-rant we is.
Because that's what you really believe isn't it? That the provincials need their betters to tell them how to think.
Funny, I grew up in an era where we had prayer in schools, but it didn't stop teaching science, including evolution. In fact no class ever tried to teach "creationism" in school. Now I'm not saying our science classes were very good, but that had nothing to do with religion and more to do with teacher quality, but that's a different thread.
You know, I'd love it if they taught those Native American views in a religion class in school. Would do kids and adults wonders to see the various religions taught in a respectful manner.
But I for one am very tired of these straw man religious arguments being thrown out to derail any real discussion on educational improvement and local vs Federal control.
My experience on this forum is that when someone calls something a "straw man", it really just means it's something they don't agree with. And then they usually follow it with a lot of foolish ridicule...like your first paragraph. Your viewpoint is no more sacred than anyone else's viewpoint here.
I have zero confidence in the federal government doing anything worthwhile other than defense. Delegate to the states education, we wont all sink together as we hvae been with high cost of low results in education. If money was the solution we would be on top.
Perhaps you're not aware that the states do wield the real power in education...not the federal government.
In 20 years of school administration, the number of times the feds paid any attention to my school was once when a parent filed a sped complaint. Otherwise, all of our dealings were with the local school board and the state ed department.
Perhaps you're not aware that the states do wield the real power in education...not the federal government.
In 20 years of school administration, the number of times the feds paid any attention to my school was once when a parent filed a sped complaint. Otherwise, all of our dealings were with the local school board and the state ed department.
The Feds did have some impact. I would think NCLB drove education over the last decade. Really screwed things up in operations but actually provided a whole lot of truth to the system... We really did well in many systems by accentuating the average and good and ignoring the bad. NCLB made that clear and created havoc. Godd old Bush overturned the apple cart.
The Feds did have some impact. I would think NCLB drove education over the last decade. Really screwed things up in operations but actually provided a whole lot of truth to the system... We really did well in many systems by accentuating the average and good and ignoring the bad. NCLB made that clear and created havoc. Godd old Bush overturned the apple cart.
That link explains that there would be no agency overseeing that states are not violating Civil Rights.
If we leave education to the states,things might become unequal.
I did not realize it was the DOE that shut down ITT Tech and Corinthian College.
Who would monitor ineffective for profit colleges?
The Ed Dept. did not technically "shut down" ITT Tech. It just said, based on its investigations, that they no longer met the criteria to receive FAFSA money.
ITT Tech shut down because they did not actually have ANY full-freight paying students - they were completely dependent on financial aid.
Department of Education has as much to do with education as the Department of Agriculture has to do with Agriculture. You are not eating because there is an Ag Department in Washington. We landed a man on the moon without an education department, imagine that.
Good point.
I graduated high school in 1978 yet there was no Dept of Education until 1979.
Still, even Reagan didn't abolish the Department when it was practically brand new, and he had won both of his elections by a popular landslide. I'm not holding my breath waiting for Trump to abolish it.
Department of Education has as much to do with education as the Department of Agriculture has to do with Agriculture. You are not eating because there is an Ag Department in Washington. We landed a man on the moon without an education department, imagine that.
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Good point.
I graduated high school in 1978 yet there was no Dept of Education until 1979.
Still, even Reagan didn't abolish the Department when it was practically brand new, and he had won both of his elections by a popular landslide. I'm not holding my breath waiting for Trump to abolish it.
At those times, 1969 (moon landing) and 1978, there was a department of Health, Education and Welfare. In early 1980, Carter split education off into its own department.
"A previous Department of Education was created in 1867 but was soon demoted to an Office in 1868.[5][6] As an agency not represented in the president's cabinet, it quickly became a relatively minor bureau in the Department of the Interior. In 1939, the bureau was transferred to the Federal Security Agency, where it was renamed the Office of Education. In 1953, the Federal Security Agency was upgraded to cabinet-level status as the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...t_of_Education
It has long been presumed that the federal government has some role in educational services.
At those times, 1969 (moon landing) and 1978, there was a department of Health, Education and Welfare. In early 1980, Carter split education off into its own department.
Ah yes, the HEW. Everybody knew the initials. Somewhere along the line, Democrats decided it is better to hide the welfare part. Interestingly, health, education and welfare never recovered after the department was created. They think they can fix things by renaming them.
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