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Old 04-07-2017, 10:12 AM
 
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The classification was a way to attract teachers to schools that were in less than desirable neighborhoods. Most of the privileged schools have no problem attracting teachers. The extra funding meant that schools in those neighborhoods could have lower class sizes and more teachers.
Not all white people are "privileged" and not all minorities are "underprivileged" is what people are getting at. This is a ridiculous rule that if it exists should be tied to socioeconomic status, not skin color. You can defend it all you want, but that doesn't mean that other people can't have an issue with it.
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Old 04-07-2017, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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The classification was a way to attract teachers to schools that were in less than desirable neighborhoods. Most of the privileged schools have no problem attracting teachers. The extra funding meant that schools in those neighborhoods could have lower class sizes and more teachers.

Yes, and perpetuating the stereotype of the privileged white student in the bargain. Even the word "privileged" has become dog-whistle code for "white".
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Old 04-07-2017, 10:39 AM
 
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Not all white people are "privileged" and not all minorities are "underprivileged" is what people are getting at. This is a ridiculous rule that if it exists should be tied to socioeconomic status, not skin color. You can defend it all you want, but that doesn't mean that other people can't have an issue with it.
It is true that white privilege does not prevent poverty and its effects, otoh, poor whites still experience white privilege every day.

https://goodmenproject.com/featured-...privilege-wcz/

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Poor white people, when comparing themselves to wealthy people of color, may feel like they have no privileges whatsoever. However, they would be mistaken. Freedom of choice and freedom of thought are enormous privileges that are so intrinsic to simply being a human being that their possession, their presence, may go overlooked. The privilege of pondering the ramifications of race and racism, when it’s convenient, is vastly different from the experience of walking around in the shoes of someone who can’t, for a second, forget about their skin color when it becomes inconvenient.
Students of color are MUCH more likely to attend poor schools than are white students even those who are poor.

https://www.theatlantic.com/educatio...chools/471414/

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The latest figures from the National Center for Educational Statistics show that nationwide about three-fourths of both African American and Hispanic young people (compared to about one-third of white students) attend schools where most of their classmates qualify as low income. The analysis expands on that national portrait to examine the extent of economic isolation at the city level. That assessment points to one overwhelming conclusion: economic isolation and the concentration of poverty among students of color afflicts not only a few struggling cities, but virtually all cities—including many that have seen the most robust growth in jobs, incomes and population since the Great Recession.
Here's a breakdown of LA neighborhoods by race:

White Ranking - Mapping L.A. - Los Angeles Times

I don't know what the solution is, except to try to eliminate poverty entirely.
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Old 04-07-2017, 11:01 AM
 
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Not all white people are "privileged" and not all minorities are "underprivileged" is what people are getting at. This is a ridiculous rule that if it exists should be tied to socioeconomic status, not skin color. You can defend it all you want, but that doesn't mean that other people can't have an issue with it.
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Yes, and perpetuating the stereotype of the privileged white student in the bargain. Even the word "privileged" has become dog-whistle code for "white".
Poor whites tend to be located in struggling smaller towns and out-of-the-way rural areas. Perhaps the only areas with significant numbers of urban poor non-Hispanic/Latino whites are Chicago, New York City, Boston, and other Northeastern cities.

In Houston it's relatively unusual to be a "poor white". The working class areas tend to be Hispanic now. The poor whites that are in the city often live in minority neighborhoods and attend low income heavily minority schools. An example of a poor white girl in Houston was Ashley Benton, the child of a jazz singer who stabbed an MS-13 boy in a gang fight and was prosecuted as an adult for murder; she ended up pleading to aggravated assault and serving probation. http://murderpedia.org/female.B/b/benton-ashley.htm

An example of poor white gangs in Bacliff, Texas, a small town southeast of Houston: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/gan...acliff-6587565 http://www.houstonpress.com/news/bac...iggers-6568442

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According to a spokesman from the Houston Police Department's gang crime division, there are a few white Bloods in black gangs, but no predominantly white Blood crews in the city of Houston. What white gangs do exist in Houston, the spokesman said, are either racist skinheads, prison-based gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood, or outlaw bikers.

Nationally, nonracist, non-biker white street gangs are most often found in ethnic enclaves in Chicago, and there are reports of white Bloods in New York City's Staten Island. And apparently there are also some in Bacliff, just a couple of miles south of the wholesome family fun on the Kemah Boardwalk.

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Old 04-07-2017, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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It is true that white privilege does not prevent poverty and its effects, otoh, poor whites still experience white privilege every day.
I'm not even sure what the idea of "white privilege" is supposed to do for minorities. Make them feel like there's an obstacle they can never overcome? Make them lower their expectations? Make certain that they know everything is cast in terms of whiteness?

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Students of color are MUCH more likely to attend poor schools than are white students even those who are poor.
Obviously we need not only more minority teachers, but school administrators as well. Dedicated and competent ones, that is. Simply spending money is not the answer even if intentions are good.

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I don't know what the solution is, except to try to eliminate poverty entirely.
At least we agree on this.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Not all white people are "privileged" and not all minorities are "underprivileged" is what people are getting at. This is a ridiculous rule that if it exists should be tied to socioeconomic status, not skin color. You can defend it all you want, but that doesn't mean that other people can't have an issue with it.
As we can have an issue with your viewpoint.

I have worked in schools that were majority minority. I have worked in schools with a few (fortunately not many) gang members. I have worked in schools where the minority population is a minority, but still significant. School are different. Communities are different. Kids are different. A school in Hell's Kitchen is going to have different needs than one in Podunk, Iowa.
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Old 04-07-2017, 11:36 PM
 
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One unfortunate thing is that there is often a lack of qualified teachers in low income and/or minority communities. AFAIK in Alaska many of the schoolteachers and school administrators are out of state and White, even in areas which are majority Alaska Native.

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Obviously we need not only more minority teachers, but school administrators as well. Dedicated and competent ones, that is. Simply spending money is not the answer even if intentions are good.
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