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What is standard English? Listening to people from various places I see no evidence of standardization.
Standardization: correct spelling, correct grammar: having the knowledge of and properly building basic sentences-
(The eight parts of speech — verbs, nouns, pronouns, adverbs, adjectives, prepositions, conjunctions, and interjections)
Standardization is what the English language is based upon. Changing it because you are in one of those "various places" where they don't use proper English dumbs down the whole language and that, to me, is very sad.
"Speaking English well" "proper English" "correct English"...all fallacies.
As someone who recruits/hires individuals frequently, I can assure you that the ability to use correct English and good grammar are abilities which are valued by employers.
I personally don't see it as an unforgivable sin if someone misspells a word or commits a few grammar faux pas but I've seen other HR managers and recruiters put a resume in the "no" pile for these reasons.
Standardization: correct spelling, correct grammar: having the knowledge of and properly building basic sentences-
(The eight parts of speech — verbs, nouns, pronouns, adverbs, adjectives, prepositions, conjunctions, and interjections)
Standardization is what the English language is based upon. Changing it because you are in one of those "various places" where they don't use proper English dumbs down the whole language and that, to me, is very sad.
And where exactly do people speak proper english in your estimation?
I don't think a teacher does students any favors by deliberately using nonstandard English.
I agree with this and it remains a debate I frequently get into with other educators. I had a teacher of another race accuse me of not understanding the needs of black students because I made them use standard English, it took everything I had not to use a little non-standard English on her as I explained my viewpoint of the subject as someone who raised her own black students and was a black student herself at one time. When someone speaks non-standard English they are automatically adjudged less intelligent than a person who speaks correctly and if both are applying for a job the one that speaks better will get it unless there is something just glaringly wrong with them.
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That is probably a good teaching tool but casually those who can not converse in the vernacular, or worse, those who are constantly judgemental of economic, racial and geographical minorities quickly become insufferable.
Yes, it does. As much as I think teachers have an obligation to correct students in school they shouldn't correct anyone other than their own children outside of school. I can't stand people who stick on their superiority cloak and correct other adults for errors of no consequence, whether it is speech or messing up the retelling of an event slightly.
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Yes, it does. As much as I think teachers have an obligation to correct students in school they shouldn't correct anyone other than their own children outside of school. I can't stand people who stick on their superiority cloak and correct other adults for errors of no consequence, whether it is speech or messing up the retelling of an event slightly.
Here's the source of a major problem, most of the teachers over here don't seem to be correcting the students. They're not correcting them in their speech and their not correcting them in their written papers. Plus, at least at the elementary school level, they often don't have textbooks because they are being taught via worksheets. At the middle school level, the textbooks are probably online.
Immersion can be a valuable tool in language instruction, and a facility in standard English is certainly an important skill to have. But student-teacher communication is also important, so dialogues in other languages and dialects are often quite appropriate.
Here's the source of a major problem, most of the teachers over here don't seem to be correcting the students. They're not correcting them in their speech and their not correcting them in their written papers.
What evidence served as the basis for this claim?
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Plus, at least at the elementary school level, they often don't have textbooks because they are being taught via worksheets. At the middle school level, the textbooks are probably online.
Support higher school taxes so that more expensive textbooks can be purchased and provided.
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