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Most bullies come from families that seem fine on the outside, but you don't know what goes on in the privacy of the home. I played highschool football and other competitive sports, and know for a fact that many of my football peers were pressured and bullied by their parents which then manifested in their bullying kids in school. The western system is Roman. Survival of the fittest is taught in society. Violence is part of the fabric of western society. Just have a look at what people consider entertainment on tv and film. Just a derivative of Gladiators.
News flash: Violence is a world wide phenomenon. It's not just any one society.
Only doing one school makes it more of a case study than a study-study.
I cited sources. There it is. You would pick apart any study and find something wrong with it. Why don't you cite studies to totally disprove that one? And I'll pick those apart and find something wrong with those studies.
I cited sources. There it is. You would pick apart any study and find something wrong with it. Why don't you cite studies to totally disprove that one? And I'll pick those apart and find something wrong with those studies.
Do you know of any other sources that back your claim? Here's a direct quote from the one source you did cite that indicates there isn't much creditably to the study which is probably why it is getting picked apart.
"Like many of my colleagues, I am quite stunned by this study,'' University of Illinois psychology professor and bullying expert Dorothy Espelage told TODAY.com. "My research clearly indicates that family and school climate matters in the demonstration of bullying. The study includes a small sample and is limited to one high school. This researcher is being very irresponsible in her take on the field and the efforts to prevent bullying."
That said, from my own anecdotal experience, I do agree with others that have commented that the popular bully can do a great deal of harm and it doesn't seem like schools have come up with an effective way of dealing with that type of bully. Threats to punish the bully doesn't seem to work because I suspect they know it is a bluff. Telling the victim to be a harder target doesn't doesn't seem to be a realistic solution. This puts the victim in a difficult situation because it doesn't seem like they have anyone to turn to for help.
I think increasing awareness about the power of the role of a by-stander to stopping bullying and increasing awareness for teachers to encourage a bully free classroom is probably the best bet.
I think increasing awareness about the power of the role of a by-stander to stopping bullying and increasing awareness for teachers to encourage a bully free classroom is probably the best bet.
Say it louder for those in the cheap seats! You mentioning this just brought back memories of childhood bullying. I've kinda always been a target for people who are insecure. I remember one of my friends saying to me, "I still wanted to be your friend," when the bullying subsided. This had been my very best friend. We were inseparable. But even she took the bully's side because the desire not to be ostracized from the group was bigger than her loyalty to me. I say "loyalty" and not love, because even though she betrayed me, I knew she still loved me. She just wasn't strong enough to take a stand against the group. Children don't know any better, but I expect adults to. Unfortunately, these dynamics play out in adult relationships where there is often way more at stake than hurt feelings. The bystanders are more to blame (in my opinion) than the bully. The bully will take all the liberties he/she is allowed to take. Someone has to step in and assert some boundaries. The bully has no or poor boundaries.
Your comment made me realize that I've been empathetic since childhood. I def agree with the research that says these behaviors are learned within the family (the family is your first classroom). They are then sharpened in other situations...because we all carry our family baggage inside of us. It takes a lot of work to unlearn destructive relational patterns.
That's why I hate posting links to studies. It's inevitable that someone will say "the study is too small". This gets old, it really does.
What do you think an appropriate size for a study should be? The fact is, I could post links to hundreds of studies and you'd criticize them all.
Come on. It was 133 students. I had student loads bigger that big when I taught. The smallest school I taught in had 800 kids. 133 is nothing to base any widespread conclusions on. In fact, any one study is usually not considered to be very conclusive at making broad statements about almost anything.
To say anything definitive about almost any studied topic I'd like to see bigger samples and multiple studies.
I cited sources. There it is. You would pick apart any study and find something wrong with it. Why don't you cite studies to totally disprove that one? And I'll pick those apart and find something wrong with those studies.
I guess you're an amateur on a mission.
It is rare that any study conclusively proves anything. Studies are not always set up properly. Researches are not always unbiased. Do successive studies point to exactly the same outcome?
If you don't those basic truths about "studies", then you probably shouldn't be quoting them.
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I remember one of my friends saying to me, "I still wanted to be your friend," when the bullying subsided. This had been my very best friend. We were inseparable. But even she took the bully's side because the desire not to be ostracized from the group was bigger than her loyalty to me. I say "loyalty" and not love, because even though she betrayed me, I knew she still loved me. She just wasn't strong enough to take a stand against the group. Children don't know any better, but I expect adults to. Unfortunately, these dynamics play out in adult relationships where there is often way more at stake than hurt feelings. The bystanders are more to blame (in my opinion) than the bully. The bully will take all the liberties he/she is allowed to take. Someone has to step in and assert some boundaries. The bully has no or poor boundaries.
