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But I always prefer to hear specifics over vague suggestions about programs that have already been proposed.
I've read several of your responses across a few education related threads. It's fairly clear you support the status quo or close.
I also find it interesting that you demand specifics while contributing none yourself.
Our 8th graders are 31st out of 35 in The OECD in demonstrated math proficiency. We are routinely bested by Russia, The Czech Republic, Estonia and Vietnam on PISA results.
Given the fantastic amounts of money spent per pupil on US K-12 and the results the only rational conclusion is we have failed and wholly new ideas are required.
In Physics, the US did well, but not as well as Slovenia, Russia, Norway, Portugal and Sweden. The US had 5% of its students achieving well compared to 8% for Slovenia. In Slovenia and the US, achievement was unchanged since 1995.
Given the fantastic amounts of money spent per pupil on US K-12 and the results the only rational conclusion is we have failed and wholly new ideas are required.
That's my point. I'm waiting for some "wholly new ideas" to show up in this thread.
In Physics, the US did well, but not as well as Slovenia, Russia, Norway, Portugal and Sweden. The US had 5% of its students achieving well compared to 8% for Slovenia. In Slovenia and the US, achievement was unchanged since 1995.
I think are best students are doing quite well.
None of that is surprising to me at all. Our top layer of students is equal to or better than any anywhere. It's the other 85-90% who are noncompetitive.
That's my point. I'm waiting for some "wholly new ideas" to show up in this thread.
"Fantastic amounts of money" compared to what?
Firing 1/3 of all teachers and hiring proved subject matter experts and 95th percentile and better young people to teach is wholly out of the box. And still you won't even be clear about where you stand........only chirp about what others take the time to write down.
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Compared to nearly all other countries. Usually The US is number 2, 3 or 4 in world in per pupil spending.
Estonia, Russia and Vietnam all spend far less than half what we do. Russia $4,437 per year for example per The OECD.
Further, if per pupil spending was the deciding factor New York, Alaska, DC, Vermont etc. would be lapping California, Utah, Texas etc. in things like college readiness.........and they aren't.
Firing 1/3 of all teachers and hiring proved subject matter experts and 95th percentile and better young people to teach is wholly out of the box. And still you won't even be clear about where you stand........only chirp about what others take the time to write down.
I don't need to tell you where I stand. I'm having too much fun shooting down fantasies.
Besides, contrary to your experience, some of the worst teachers my kids had were subject-matter experts who went through a shortcut certification program and had almost no classroom management skills.
Chirp chirp chirp ...
The Peace Corps approach to teaching won't work. Paying teachers like professionals instead of blue-collar workers would be a start. If it were a breadwinner career that would make a difference, that would help.
But throwing more money isn't going to solve what social problems have created.
Besides, contrary to your experience, some of the worst teachers my kids had were subject-matter experts who went through a shortcut certification program and had almost no classroom management skills.
The only fantasy to any of this is the notion that your way is working. It is not working.
I don't need to tell you where I stand. I'm having too much fun shooting down fantasies.
Besides, contrary to your experience, some of the worst teachers my kids had were subject-matter experts who went through a shortcut certification program and had almost no classroom management skills.
Chirp chirp chirp ...
The Peace Corps approach to teaching won't work. Paying teachers like professionals instead of blue-collar workers would be a start. If it were a breadwinner career that would make a difference, that would help.
But throwing more money isn't going to solve what social problems have created.
That's right. There's a LOT more to teaching than standing in front of a class and talking.
Teachers learn HOW to teach. There are methods of getting through to kids who have trouble learning and you try different ways until they do learn. Some "expert" on some subject isn't going to know how to reach the difficult kids. And how are they going to do with the worst aspect of teaching--classroom management.
Some of these people who think they know better, I challenge them to spend a day as a teacher. Wait until a kid tells you loudly in front of the entire class that he's going to kill you and then gets up and starts to act as though he's going to. Think you'd enjoy that?
Or the kid who mimics every word you say and gets the whole class involved in laughing instead of learning.
Or the kid who keeps kicking the chair of the kid in front of him or the kid who just hollers out and distracts everybody.
And you know what you can do about it? Nothing. Will the administration do anything about it? Nope. They're too afraid of the parents. Much of the classroom time is wasted on rotten kids who don't want to learn. You feel more like a cop than a teacher. Yeh, send in the rocket scientist and see how he does.
That's right. There's a LOT more to teaching than standing in front of a class and talking.
Teachers learn HOW to teach. There are methods of getting through to kids who have trouble learning and you try different ways until they do learn. Some "expert" on some subject isn't going to know how to reach the difficult kids. And how are they going to do with the worst aspect of teaching--classroom management.
Some of these people who think they know better, I challenge them to spend a day as a teacher. Wait until a kid tells you loudly in front of the entire class that he's going to kill you and then gets up and starts to act as though he's going to. Think you'd enjoy that?
Or the kid who mimics every word you say and gets the whole class involved in laughing instead of learning.
Or the kid who keeps kicking the chair of the kid in front of him or the kid who just hollers out and distracts everybody.
And you know what you can do about it? Nothing. Will the administration do anything about it? Nope. They're too afraid of the parents. Much of the classroom time is wasted on rotten kids who don't want to learn. You feel more like a cop than a teacher. Yeh, send in the rocket scientist and see how he does.
Sure, in other words, keep doing what we know does not work. That'll show'em.
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