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Old 12-19-2019, 02:02 PM
 
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Our youngest son graduated Med School in 2018. Early in his program he told me the differences between the MD and DO degree were insignificant to non-existent. In fact, a surprising percentage, maybe 1/3, of the Professors teaching his MD program were DO's themselves! I 'believe' his Residency Program is treating both degrees as equal when interviewing and accepting new Med School graduates - but I could be wrong.


If your son is allowing suggestions, suggest he apply to both types of programs using location, strength of intended specialty program, reputation, availability of scholarship funds, overall lower costs, etc., as the deciding factors. Med School is so difficult to enter, why would anyone want to eliminate half of the potential schools when the profession now treats the degrees as equals?



Yea. No. It's easy to see the "profession" does not treat MD and DO degrees the same. Although DO grads are represented in every specialty MD grads are accepted into competitive and very competitive residencies at much higher rates. DOs are greatly overrepresented in the primary care fields. DO grads also fail to match at much higher rates than MD grads.

Another problem is DO schools tend to be more expensive than top state schools.

Many DO schools are not affiliated with large hospitals ergo a student may be forced to find his/her own 3rd and 4th year clinical rotations a long way off - maybe states away. One of my son's friends went to DO school in Kentucky but several of his 3rd and 4th year rotations were in Oklahoma.


It's all in here.
https://mk0nrmp3oyqui6wqfm.kinstacdn...2019_final.pdf
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Old 12-19-2019, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Texas
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That poster previously said people have $1mil in student loan debt after going to medical school. That is so far from the truth. Someone else pointed out that the average debt is about $250k. Many state medical schools have tuition that is about $35k a year. That should be about $200-220k with living expenses.
That is still really bad debt.
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Old 12-19-2019, 03:07 PM
 
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That is still really bad debt.
Depends upon income. $250K with a $100K income is one thing. The same with a $300K income is another.
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Old 12-19-2019, 03:46 PM
 
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Depends upon income. $250K with a $100K income is one thing. The same with a $300K income is another.
With $300K income, the take-home cash is probably $180. $250K debt with interests is still a lot.
My income is far from $300k, and 40% go to taxes, 401k, insurance etc.
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Old 12-19-2019, 04:01 PM
 
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Depends upon income. $250K with a $100K income is one thing. The same with a $300K income is another.
How much would a doctor make during his or her residency?
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Old 12-19-2019, 04:17 PM
 
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Last I’ve heart it’s $50k plus and minus. My niece had to live with that salary in HCOL like LA.
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Old 12-19-2019, 05:11 PM
 
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With $300K income, the take-home cash is probably $180. $250K debt with interests is still a lot.
My income is far from $300k, and 40% go to taxes, 401k, insurance etc.
Sure it's a lot. But the value proposition $250K debt vs. a life with a very low chance of any unemployment and very solid income would be worth it in nearly all cases. Only becoming vague as income reaches the lower strata of doc. pay.
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Old 12-19-2019, 05:17 PM
 
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How much would a doctor make during his or her residency?
My son is a PGY-3 neurosurgery resident. His pay is a shade less than $65,000. His wife is a PGY-1, internal medicine headed towards oncology, at a different school IIRC her pay is about $57,000. Residency pay varies a bit by school, year and field.
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Old 12-19-2019, 06:44 PM
 
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Sure it's a lot. But the value proposition $250K debt vs. a life with a very low chance of any unemployment and very solid income would be worth it in nearly all cases. Only becoming vague as income reaches the lower strata of doc. pay.
The other issue is cost of setting up a practice, if one decides to do so.
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Old 12-20-2019, 05:10 AM
 
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Yea. No. It's easy to see the "profession" does not treat MD and DO degrees the same. Although DO grads are represented in every specialty MD grads are accepted into competitive and very competitive residencies at much higher rates. DOs are greatly overrepresented in the primary care fields. DO grads also fail to match at much higher rates than MD grads.

Another problem is DO schools tend to be more expensive than top state schools.

Many DO schools are not affiliated with large hospitals ergo a student may be forced to find his/her own 3rd and 4th year clinical rotations a long way off - maybe states away. One of my son's friends went to DO school in Kentucky but several of his 3rd and 4th year rotations were in Oklahoma.


It's all in here.
https://mk0nrmp3oyqui6wqfm.kinstacdn...2019_final.pdf
Part of the mission of osteopathic medicine is a focus on primary care, so I don’t think you can fault the schooling for graduates being “over represented” in primary care fields. That doesn’t necessarily mean it is a worse option, it just means it is a different option and that applicants have to decide what their interests are before entering the program. Someone who wants to enter dermatology or neurosurgery might not be best served by choosing to attend a school of osteopathic medicine. My mom is a mostly retired (MD) physician and sees nothing wrong with choosing it as an option and thinks DOs are better prepared for a career in primary care than MDs are.

Through this year, the AOA had is own match, so simply looking at the NRMP doesn’t paint the whole picture as osteopathic students could choose to do the AOA match or the NRMP. Starting in spring, everyone has to do the NRMP. Students from osteopathic medical schools tended to do slightly worse on the USMLE, so that might have also had something to do with the lower rates of acceptance into more competitive residencies. I am not sure how that will change with a combined program.
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