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Old 12-23-2019, 11:20 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Greysholic View Post
Because doctors are paid **** in China, which reflects on the **** healthcare.
Healthcare in China is not bad compared to other countries with the same average GDP or income.

Doctors are important and should be respected, but they do not demand more talents than engineers, for example. It is just fair to pay engineers more.
In the west, the privilege is largely culturally determined.
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Old 12-23-2019, 11:21 AM
 
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Healthcare in China is not bad compared to other countries with the same average GDP or income.

Doctors are important and should be respected, but they do not demand more talents than engineers, for example. It is just fair to pay engineers more.
It depends on the type of engineer...
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Old 12-23-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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It depends on the type of engineer...
Mechanical, electrical, civil, chemical, and computer engineers.
All of them demand hard work and a relatively high IQ just to pass.
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Old 12-23-2019, 12:03 PM
 
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Mechanical, electrical, civil, chemical, and computer engineers.
All of them demand hard work and a relatively high IQ just to pass.
It also depends on the job. If you're a computer engineer working on satellite dishes or automated piloting systems, sure. If you work on computers for business use, you aren't worth much in the market compared to a doctor.
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Old 12-23-2019, 01:07 PM
 
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It also depends on the job. If you're a computer engineer working on satellite dishes or automated piloting systems, sure. If you work on computers for business use, you aren't worth much in the market compared to a doctor.
What if we import doctors from India and other third world countries?
Some barriers are artificial.
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Old 12-23-2019, 01:10 PM
 
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What if we import doctors from India and other third world countries?
Some barriers are artificial.
We can import engineers as well. India and other third world countries have brilliant people too.
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Old 12-23-2019, 01:47 PM
 
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Sure but physical chemistry is generally considered to be up the food chain from O-chem I and II.

I'll ask my DIl she has a bio-chem undergrad.

Maybe I should have said the Ochems are a killer not the killer.
In my school, biology majors were encouraged to be chemistry minors; me, a second BS as a marine biology type,I was a CS minor, a psychology minor. In regards to the CS, I had oodles of CS course work, from being a 1st BS engineering technology-telecommunications, a failed CS Masters, and that I worked in the CS world. As far as psychology goes, I had to take an intro course, found I liked it, and took oodles of it. Would have been a double major had there not been a foreign languages requirement and that stuff is a GPA killer for me.

Anyhow, back to chemistry. First undergrad, two semesters of basic chemistry. Marine biology undergrad, two semesters of organic and yes, that stuff is tough! I had to take the 2nd semester twice. All the different types shouldn't be but it is but I think the really tough part is being able to draw the several steps of electron transfer.

Then.....there was a DPS crime lab job that caught my interest which required even more chemistry, so I picked up a semester of Biochemistry.......had to take that one, twice, too! Was it that tough? Well, what one learned in organic one needed to know on the first day. Further, I may not have been in the right mind set at the time. I was working full time, working on a geography masters, taking theatre courses, and really didn't have an avenue to learn it as I learn. That is, for this stuff, what can I use it for, what application can I develop out of it.

One thing I find fascinating about biochemistry is the hemoglobin orientation in the cell between being oxygenated and not. I didn't have time to get that much into it but talking with my diver friends, that I can see such as that, when it comes to ingassing, does put me ahead of my diving crowd.

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My wife demands that one of our kids become a doctor, regardless of their interest. Or I should say she attempts to nurture their interest in this field.

I think this is primarily due to the conventional thinking that doctors are one of the best professions.

Is that conventional thinking still true on the eve of 2020?
Well, A, B, and C.

A: As far as being an MD, I can't. I work, from time to time, in the security world and the MD oath requirement of "do no harm" and my security background is just a conflict of interests. I always want more medical knowledge, maybe one day be an EMT, but as far as being an MD, that is out of the question.

B: What about a Vet? Being an MD is "easy" for there are many more medical schools than Vet schools. Hence, being a Vet is TOUGH! Admittedly, when I talk to a Vet about my pets, I am miles ahead than most "parents" because of my marine biology background, the Vet can talk to me on something of the same language......and I rather like that.

C: There is something else, however. I'm not a specialist.....I'M A RENAISSANCE LADY! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymath?wprov=srpw1_1
I know a lot about a lot! As diplomas and certifications go, I tend to be a card collector. Mom, when she was alive and well, often questioned me of why I didn't go for my PhD (or JD). Since I am a card collector, I tend to view those things like that, another thing to have, a higher level of knowledge, a title, maybe something to increase the paycheck.

If anything, if there is an expedition is going out, if Robert Ballard is doing an oceanographic cruise.......you want me on it!

As I read the comments of others, I think an important quality for your child to have is the moral setting. Not the want of money nor the respect with the title, but the moral setting to exist in that kind of world.

I don't have that. From my psychology background (and psychologists/psychiatrists are doctors (PhD/MD) too), one of things I do is exploit the weaknesses of the mind and develop tactics or even weapons (offensive/defensive/support) to be used against others. For example....

....one of the tactics I developed was for the hit squad to be composed of minorities often found in janitorial duties. Why? Because they could achieve a level of invisibility, so when the "higher ups" were questioned by the police, they might not remember seeing the hit squad. Now, that isn't perfect for if one knows the trick, one questions the janitorial staff as well for they would see the strangers.

Devious? Certainly. Unethical? Well, it depends who you are working for. That I have the mindset to exploit the weaknesses of others is just who I am but it probably wouldn't be the best idea to try to groom me into an MD with such an outlook.

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Old 12-23-2019, 01:50 PM
 
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We can import engineers as well. India and other third world countries have brilliant people too.
We already have.

Also, some family doctors do not really have very complicated jobs, probably less so than a "computer engineer" for business uses.
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Old 12-23-2019, 04:06 PM
 
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Healthcare in China is not bad compared to other countries with the same average GDP or income.

Doctors are important and should be respected, but they do not demand more talents than engineers, for example. It is just fair to pay engineers more.
In the west, the privilege is largely culturally determined.
In the west it is much more difficult to become and licensed physician than a licensed engineer, it's no contest.
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Old 12-23-2019, 06:08 PM
 
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In the west it is much more difficult to become and licensed physician than a licensed engineer, it's no contest.
But when you compare licensed doctors with those who earn a doctorate degree in engineering, it is not the case.
In fact we have to import engineering PhDs from Europe and Asia, in large.
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