Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 12-23-2019, 06:10 PM
 
2,151 posts, read 1,354,672 times
Reputation: 1786

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettafish View Post
We already have.

Also, some family doctors do not really have very complicated jobs, probably less so than a "computer engineer" for business uses.
Eh, I'm going to disagree with you there. Creating computer software and hardware for business use is the easiest type of work in the computer field. The training involved is much less than writing software for physics simulations, for example. However, a Doctor needs to know quite a it about the human body... the most complex machine known to man. If a doctor messes up, the risk is high. If someone creating a website or writing financial software messes up, the risk is minimal as it's cheap to fix a bug.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-23-2019, 07:03 PM
 
9,229 posts, read 9,750,727 times
Reputation: 3316
Quote:
Originally Posted by IDoPhysicsPhD View Post
Eh, I'm going to disagree with you there. Creating computer software and hardware for business use is the easiest type of work in the computer field. The training involved is much less than writing software for physics simulations, for example. However, a Doctor needs to know quite a it about the human body... the most complex machine known to man. If a doctor messes up, the risk is high. If someone creating a website or writing financial software messes up, the risk is minimal as it's cheap to fix a bug.
We are not talking about risks, but difficulties.
Also, a software engineer can make millions of dollars of loss in a second if there is a bug in the stock trading platform.

However, software engineers are not really engineers. Computer engineers study computer architecture, hardware, operating systems etc.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-23-2019, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Taipei
8,864 posts, read 8,437,035 times
Reputation: 7413
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettafish View Post
Healthcare in China is not bad compared to other countries with the same average GDP or income.
Thailand's GDP per capita is similar to China's but the healthcare is much better. It's a popular destination for medical tourism amongst PRC citizens.

Quote:
Doctors are important and should be respected, but they do not demand more talents than engineers, for example. It is just fair to pay engineers more.
In the west, the privilege is largely culturally determined.
Except that is not true at all. No one sane would ever consider engineering more important or more difficult than medicine. Anyone can study to become an engineer, but very few can handle the mental and physical stress of practicing medicine. Medicine is a matter of life and death.

If Chinese ppl continue to believe that medicine isn't important, the healthcare would continue to be tragic and ppl would continue to travel abroad for surgeries and drugs, and tbh China is not in the position for such luxury anymore since the population is aging at a very fast rate.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-24-2019, 04:26 AM
 
9,229 posts, read 9,750,727 times
Reputation: 3316
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greysholic View Post
Thailand's GDP per capita is similar to China's but the healthcare is much better. It's a popular destination for medical tourism amongst PRC citizens.


Except that is not true at all. No one sane would ever consider engineering more important or more difficult than medicine. Anyone can study to become an engineer, but very few can handle the mental and physical stress of practicing medicine. Medicine is a matter of life and death.

If Chinese ppl continue to believe that medicine isn't important, the healthcare would continue to be tragic and ppl would continue to travel abroad for surgeries and drugs, and tbh China is not in the position for such luxury anymore since the population is aging at a very fast rate.
To become a legitimate engineer one must pass calculus, linear algebra, general physics, and a load of specialized courses with advanced mathematics. Only those who never went through them (including you) would say anyone can succeed. After they finish the course work, they are selected again by the job market, many weak ones are eliminated.

All Chinese people think medicine is extremely important. But we believe engineers are more demanding and should be paid more.
I don't know where your strange opinion came from, as usual.

Thailand may attract some medical tourists (I never heard of any in China), but I don't believe their best hospitals can beat those in Beijing and Shanghai. If you check the ranking of medical schools in the world, China is far better. Many top politicians of third world countries go to China for treatment.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-24-2019, 04:31 AM
 
9,229 posts, read 9,750,727 times
Reputation: 3316
Thailand has the same life expectancy as China (76 years).
Considering China was very poor, and many people experienced hunger and malnutrition, I don't think the healthcare of Thailand is better at all.

Some Chinese people may go to western countries for medical purposes, but personally I don't know anyone who went to other developing countries. They can't get insurance coverage or reimbursement that way.

Chinese doctors see much more patients than those in western countries, on average. Sometimes they have more experience.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-26-2019, 02:15 PM
 
Location: S-E Michigan
4,278 posts, read 5,932,563 times
Reputation: 10869
Default Correction to earlier information

And EDS_ will love this.........


Earlier I posted the comment made to me by our son while he was a first or second year Med School Student. At that time he relayed the difference between DO and MD programs was considered nearly non-existent.

He is currently a second year Resident and we visited him the past few days for Christmas. His most recent comment is that the Hospital system where he is doing his residency has stated they will significantly reduce or completely eliminate Residency offerings to students of DO programs in his specialty. Our son is the Chair of the Student Committee associated with interviewing and recruiting new Residents in his specialty, so as such he is privy to comments made by the Senior Attending Doctors and potentially the Dept Head.

So EDS_ is correct. There remains a strong disadvantage to Residency offers made to graduates of a DO program compared to a MD program. Our son's program is also experiencing difficulties with graduates of foreign medical schools who never performed a Med School rotation within his specific specialty due to the program structure of some foreign schools. Other foreign Med Schools require one year of Residency prior to awarding the MD degree, so there is great variation.

I apologize for my earlier mis-information. Although it was made with only the best of intentions.

Last edited by MI-Roger; 12-26-2019 at 03:23 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-27-2019, 10:53 AM
 
19,776 posts, read 18,060,308 times
Reputation: 17262
Quote:
Originally Posted by MI-Roger View Post
And EDS_ will love this.........


Earlier I posted the comment made to me by our son while he was a first or second year Med School Student. At that time he relayed the difference between DO and MD programs was considered nearly non-existent.

He is currently a second year Resident and we visited him the past few days for Christmas. His most recent comment is that the Hospital system where he is doing his residency has stated they will significantly reduce or completely eliminate Residency offerings to students of DO programs in his specialty. Our son is the Chair of the Student Committee associated with interviewing and recruiting new Residents in his specialty, so as such he is privy to comments made by the Senior Attending Doctors and potentially the Dept Head.

So EDS_ is correct. There remains a strong disadvantage to Residency offers made to graduates of a DO program compared to a MD program. Our son's program is also experiencing difficulties with graduates of foreign medical schools who never performed a Med School rotation within his specific specialty due to the program structure of some foreign schools. Other foreign Med Schools require one year of Residency prior to awarding the MD degree, so there is great variation.

I apologize for my earlier mis-information. Although it was made with only the best of intentions.
A. Congratulations to your son.

2. Regarding the MD v. DO thing, IMO a great deal of context is needed. There is no question MD graduates hog the most desirable specialties in medicine relative to DO grads. It's also important to note that whomever the bottom DO grad is nationally per year........that person is an academic rockstar relative to the population. My son is in one of the top few residencies of its type. There are no resident DOs in the entire program.

D. There is no need to apologize.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-27-2019, 11:30 AM
 
2,151 posts, read 1,354,672 times
Reputation: 1786
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettafish View Post
We are not talking about risks, but difficulties.
Also, a software engineer can make millions of dollars of loss in a second if there is a bug in the stock trading platform.

However, software engineers are not really engineers. Computer engineers study computer architecture, hardware, operating systems etc.
If a software engineer's bug makes it into production, then that's indicative of how poor the software engineering team is. The bug itself is very cheap to fix.

Software engineers study computer science. Computer engineers study computer engineering. They both study computer architecture, hardware and operating systems. The only difference is that computer engineers also study electrical engineering... because they do computer science on hardware rather than in software. It's the same skill, otherwise.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-27-2019, 11:59 AM
 
Location: The end of the world
804 posts, read 544,837 times
Reputation: 569
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq8xjsGwIiA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSUXvyckRxQ

Everything but the cyber-bullying garbage

Quote:
Originally Posted by EDS_ View Post
Basically none of that is correct, assuming we are talking about docs. and Ph.Ds in The US.

In this context MD = medicinae doctor, straight from the Latin. In other words doctor of medicine.

An MD or DO degree, with no exceptions I believe, and a residency or residency substitute (a few primary care pathways allow OJT in lieu of residency) is required to become a physician in all states.

Physicians are not required to practice under a Ph.D or MD.+ Ph.D. There are few MD+Ph.Ds in The US and most go into research and or academica. The overwhelming majority - far more than 95% of full time clinicians do not have a Ph.D.

Medical residents must work under a licensed physician, who may or may not be physically present, that physician, usually referred to as an"attending physician" must have an MD and may or may not have a Ph.D........the overwhelming majority of attendings do not.


In fact the closest real life example of what you are talking about works the other way. Many physician assistants have Ph.D credentials. Starting in 2020 or '21 all new PA's will have Ph.Ds..................PAs work under MDs in nearly all clinical settings.
You know what I like about exchanging information on their educational outlook? When they blast me with information.

A. I spent taking care of my grandmother and following her on her visits to her MD/DO ( Medical Doctor ) when I started to talk about my experiences with my grandmother and match their knowledge, they eventually started to use big words and terminologies.

B. In the art department I literally went to complain about lack of all-purpose-paper. I literally spent a good couple of minutes before the Department head realized I was a student. He then again ( above example ) started to use terminologies and variations of English speech in his responses, Before that he was talking with me like if I was a regular person. He was more or less quick to get me out of the office then actually solve the problem.

I am talking about term and usage of Doctor in difference to the medical usage of doctor. Because a lot ( a lot people ) do not understand the difference and with this forum are just concerned about results of education without seeing the actual person works.

The problem with that is the lack of actually seeing or caring about what students do for income

Last edited by DanArt; 12-27-2019 at 01:07 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-27-2019, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
90,297 posts, read 120,704,934 times
Reputation: 35920
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanArt View Post
Well....................I assume M.D ( not a doctor ). A doctor is somebody who should be an expert in a subject area. That is what the term Doctor/Masters/PHD means. You are the expert of experts.

A M.D. is a license that allows you to perform medical services on individuals with supervisory of another M.D. who is most likely a PHD, or etc higher up,


Your wife should be thinking more like services a person could perform relating to a medical field, and trying to get her son into that position as soon as possible.

I do not know what kind of women your wife is but the thing about girls is that they have a transition of men within relationship.

A. Guy who is funny and great sex
B. Guy who is dominate and could careless about going to jail
C. Guy who can provide for her


So I assume your wife is thinking about her son being able to land an art-***** ( like my peer students ) which could be between an actress, painter, designer, or school teacher.

I do not know how she thinks or calculates her son but in my opinion I find many people in medical studies while they do turn out nice and are able to find spouses that are nice they have many failures.

https://tribunewhat.wordpress.com/20...-opposite-sex/

Read this article ( more like a list )

Many science majors might have money but fails in other areas.

The last thing I want is my son with a money-grubbing w h o r e. The last thing I want is a woman capable of being a money grubbing w h o r e

There are many controlling and abusive spouse relationships that is money dependent and "she" just jumps from one wallet to the next wallet and the next wallet.

That is the way I see it. Your wife might not be telling the whole story or I do not know what kind of relationship you guys have. I know somebodies wife who was a pornstar I admired, and watch from time to time. I know somebodies wife who literally got her money from working as a human dog being shared by people. We do not talk about those things and because I know these people my problem is when you eventually run into them and make it clear

You are not going to use me for my money and be a parasite. It is not love. Your "wife" is basically knows the outcome of many majors and see far too many failures so is trying to give him a safe outlook on life.

Again it does not mean your son will make wise choices with his income. I know people with no education, no HS and have money from investing.
What a crock of . . . compost! I just had to second the comments by EDS. MDs do not work under the supervision of PhDs.

As for the rest of your post, it's a bit misogynist.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettafish View Post
We are not talking about risks, but difficulties.
Also, a software engineer can make millions of dollars of loss in a second if there is a bug in the stock trading platform.

However, software engineers are not really engineers. Computer engineers study computer architecture, hardware, operating systems etc.
A doctor can make a mistake and kill someone. It's an awesome responsibility.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:44 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top