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Old 02-22-2020, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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You may be talking about this place: https://medicine.illinois.edu/

It's in Champaign, described on the website as a place with few distractions. My husband's advisor said the same thing, although a little more realistically-"Nothing to do here. Makes it easier to get your work done". (I lived in Champaign for 7 years. I'd agree.) Certainly there are no outdoor distractions, no special hiking, rafting, etc. If you're into biking you might get distracted. If you're into drinking you can get very distracted. Ditto pizza.

You do not have to have an engineering degree to get in. "Applicants must have graduated from an accredited college or university prior to matriculation. No single major is preferred." There are some courses you have to have taken.
https://medicine.illinois.edu/admiss...ore-you-apply/
Interesting.. . . From their site: THE FORWARD DESIGN OF HUMAN HEALTH BEGINS AT THE WORLD'S FIRST ENGINEERING-BASED COLLEGE OF MEDICINE.

An “engineering-based college of medicine.”
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Old 02-22-2020, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Interesting.. . . From their site: THE FORWARD DESIGN OF HUMAN HEALTH BEGINS AT THE WORLD'S FIRST ENGINEERING-BASED COLLEGE OF MEDICINE.

An “engineering-based college of medicine.”
Well, UIUC has a big engineering school.
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:58 PM
 
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We do need to guide the kids somewhat. Otherwise my kids would major in video games.

My concern is with basing the picking too much on a profession's traditional allure, rather than the outlook today, especially in these changing times. I've heard doctors complain that their business cannot survive in today's healthcare chaos.
This is funny. I was talking to my 15 year old nephew, and he was telling me that it used to be kids dreamed about being doctors and lawyers and now they want to be professional video game players. If you are good and get enough followers, you can make a lot of money...like millions. I find it sad in a way that games are more valuable than something that actually does some good in the world, but then again, is it really any different than professional sports where athletes get payed big bucks to play games. I think the one thing to keep in mind that is true for professional athletes, very few make it to the big leagues. I would think the same is true for video gamers.
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Old 02-25-2020, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Redwood Shores, CA
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This is funny. I was talking to my 15 year old nephew, and he was telling me that it used to be kids dreamed about being doctors and lawyers and now they want to be professional video game players. If you are good and get enough followers, you can make a lot of money...like millions. I find it sad in a way that games are more valuable than something that actually does some good in the world, but then again, is it really any different than professional sports where athletes get payed big bucks to play games. I think the one thing to keep in mind that is true for professional athletes, very few make it to the big leagues. I would think the same is true for video gamers.
How kids are reasoning these days I am not sure. My bet is they simply loves to play.

For parents, I think the long term durability of a profession is definitely one big consideration among many other strong points. Certain professions are hot for 10, 20, or 30 years, then die out or move out. When I was a stock broker I charged 2% commission for every transaction, now trading is free! Medicine by contrast, has been around for thousands of years and has pretty much been a respected profession during that time.
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Old 03-21-2020, 10:40 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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My impression is yes, because of the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$.

And what is more important than$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$?
Where are you?
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:47 AM
 
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Thanks so much... very informative post.

I don’t really think my D will go the med school route. She just seems more excited about engineering combined with some other areas (e.g. Math, Chem, Physics). Lately, she has mentioned Business also (she loves her Econ course). We’ll see...

I mentioned the engineering to med school path because this is a specific path we’ve seen when touring schools, talking to grads, etc.

E.g. I think the University of Illinois College of Medicine was specifically designed for engineering students to go into medicine. I think an engineering degree may be required for admissions to this medical school - not sure.

Other schools we looked at had some combo engineering/science degrees they advertised as prep for med school (E.g. Northwestern had an integrated science degree). Other engineering schools advertised a “Med School Advising Office” (I think Wisconsin, Harvard, and Columbia - not sure) to help students navigate the path from engineering degree to med school.

I can’t remember all the details - we toured A LOT of schools - and I sometimes get them mixed up. I’d have to review all their websites. But I definitely got the impression there were enough students pursuing the engineering to med school path, so universities offered support in this area...
Engineering undergrad is great training for med school and a poor choice. Great training because it teaches you how to solve technical problems better than any other undergraduate program. It's a poor choice because it crushes your GPA relative to those who major in softer subjects, with the knowledge that the easier material and grade inflation in those subjects will make it easier to get admitted to med school, despite the fact that they are less prepared.

At least that was the case when I was in school. Maybe med schools have moved on from the practice of treating all majors roughly equally and putting the most weight on science GPA and cumulative GPA. (Cramming for the science prereqs is a lot easier if you have other easy classes, regardless of how much you may have learned in other, harder classes.)
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:50 AM
 
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I don't think medicine is the most desired anymore.

The stories of doctor burnout are legendary.

If you're really smart, working for Google is a lot easier and more interesting than being a doctor and pays better, especially up front.
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Old 04-01-2020, 04:24 PM
 
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If you're really smart, working for Google is a lot easier and more interesting than being a doctor and pays better, especially up front.
That's way too broad.
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Old 04-01-2020, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Anyone who is thinking about becoming a doctor for the income and/or prestige needs to take a good, hard look at what's happening now in the hospital systems in our major cities. Are you SURE you still want this job?
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Old 04-02-2020, 10:18 AM
 
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Anyone who is thinking about becoming a doctor for the income and/or prestige needs to take a good, hard look at what's happening now in the hospital systems in our major cities. Are you SURE you still want this job?
Our daughter is doing a residency in a hospital that has an embargo on all information. It's more than unnerving.
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