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Old 04-08-2020, 11:06 AM
 
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Find a hospital that has teen age volunteer workers. Better yet, find a physician who would mentor / apprentice the youngster into the arcane world of medicine.
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The longer the exposure, the easier it is to remember all the little things that make up a modern practice.
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Frankly, I prefer long term apprenticeships that do not incur crippling debt. In fact, I think every practice should have young apprentices as young as 11 or 12, helping out, and learning by observing.

Colleges are not in the business of teaching, but in the business of bestowing credentials. You can learn any where, any time, any way, but without credentials, you can't sit for the examination or be approved under current labor laws.
Society abandoned the notions you yearn for long ago.

For interested students colleges, professional schools etc. are most definitely about teaching and learning.

Also there are many reasons why having 11/12yos around medical practices in any important way is a full stop.

Last edited by EDS_; 04-08-2020 at 11:55 AM.. Reason: fixed a glaring typo
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Old 04-09-2020, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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I'm just curious what are the several professions that generally pay better than medicine?
Try enterprise software sales for one. Don't need all those years in school - just need to be able to close.
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Old 04-09-2020, 07:38 PM
 
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Try enterprise software sales for one. Don't need all those years in school - just need to be able to close.
Average US doctor pay is right at $300K. Enterprise software on average pays a lot less than that.
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Old 04-09-2020, 09:24 PM
 
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I know someone who did 3 years of law school then did 4 years of dental school, plus, I would assume some sort of residency requirement for dental? She no life for many years. I personally would not want to trade my life for all that. She makes good money now but likely has tons of debt.
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Old 04-10-2020, 08:18 PM
 
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I know someone who did 3 years of law school then did 4 years of dental school, plus, I would assume some sort of residency requirement for dental? She no life for many years. I personally would not want to trade my life for all that. She makes good money now but likely has tons of debt.
Yep. That is the main thing. You can do some jobs like software engineering/development jobs and make good money without having to spend an additional four years in school + at least 3 years in residency (likely more for the higher paying specialties) and and extra $200-300K in student loan debt. Most people I know who are in the older generation of doctors now would not recommend anyone go to med school today. They do not think it is worth it.
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Old 04-10-2020, 09:25 PM
 
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Yep. That is the main thing. You can do some jobs like software engineering/development jobs and make good money without having to spend an additional four years in school + at least 3 years in residency (likely more for the higher paying specialties) and and extra $200-300K in student loan debt. Most people I know who are in the older generation of doctors now would not recommend anyone go to med school today. They do not think it is worth it.
Median debt after medical school (BS+MD) is ~$195,000.
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Old 04-10-2020, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Hell no! People want to be PA’s these days. It’s harder to get into PA school than medical school. One of my coworkers recently applied to a PA program that only accepts 45 applicants and 900 people applied.
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Old 04-10-2020, 11:47 PM
 
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Hell no! People want to be PA’s these days. It’s harder to get into PA school than medical school. One of my coworkers recently applied to a PA program that only accepts 45 applicants and 900 people applied.
That second part is utterly not true broadly. And narrowly there are many medical schools with acceptance rates less than the 5% your friend experienced.

The best way to unconfuse yourself about all this is to look into university systems that offer both PA and MD pathways and look at GPA, science GPA and test scores of matriculants into each program.
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Old 04-11-2020, 08:37 AM
 
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We do need to guide the kids somewhat. Otherwise my kids would major in video games.

My concern is with basing the picking too much on a profession's traditional allure, rather than the outlook today, especially in these changing times. I've heard doctors complain that their business cannot survive in today's healthcare chaos.
I would think the way to start would be to expose your kids to science, and see if any of them take an interest. (How many kids do you have, btw?) What stage are they at in school? They may be getting some science instruction in school.

I would think, that another important quality to foster would be compassion and a desire to help people. Do any of your kids show concern for injured animals, or for the elderly or handicapped?
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Old 04-11-2020, 01:41 PM
 
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[1] Society abandoned the notions you yearn for long ago.

[2] For interested students colleges, professional schools etc. are most definitely about teaching and learning.

[3] Also there are many reasons why having 11/12yos around medical practices in any important way is a full stop.
[1] Society? Or self interest groups? Or intrusive governments? In many countries, you don't need permission slips (prescriptions) to buy pharmaceuticals.

[2] The last time I was in college, it was about guided self study. The professor did very little 'teaching'. He just assigned reading and what was to be covered on the tests. You could ask questions later, but often there was material in the tests never discussed in class.

[3] There is no proof that a licensed physician is more competent than an unlicensed physician. In fact, if licensing insured competence, why would there be malpractice torts? Befriend a doctor and you will get an earful of the morons he/she finds in hospitals and clinics. I personally experienced one "bone specialist" who was incompetent. He placed a leg cast that failed to immobilize both joints around a fracture. When I showed the cast to my family physician he remarked "What idiot did this?" I replied that it was the head of the osteopathy department at a county hospital.

It's no surprise that patients seek SECOND OPINIONS. Physicians are not infallible. Trust them at your peril.
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