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Old 08-06-2020, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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How much K-12 school should be missed before all kids are left back for 1 year?

If "left back" isn't the current terminology, I apologize. I have no dog in this fight (no kids in school). I'm just referring to repeating a grade. I'm not looking for a specific answer, either, just a discussion.

Should they have to take a test to be promoted to the next grade because they missed so much school? And yes, I know some kids were home schooled which might be why a test should determine it.
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Old 08-07-2020, 09:36 AM
 
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Yes. If they don't meet standards or pass assessments from previous in-school years, because distance learning is inadequate, they shouldn't just be shoved through the system to make quotas. I think it's more realistic to ask "how can we handle 20-40% of kids repeating their current grade?"
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Old 08-07-2020, 09:45 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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I don't much care for universal rules applied to all students, as there are significant learnings available during this unique event. Some will sink, some will swim.

It would be reasonable to apply competence exams for certain thresholds. Kids learn at different rates in each subject.

For current year....provide the objectives - meet them. Explore vast opportunities elsewhere. (Get students involved in understanding, managing, and solving pandemics.). Or something else they always desired to learn, but were hindered by being sequestered in a classroom with 30 clones.

Open the doors of their inquisitive minds.
Set them free to explore and learn.

Measure their progress later.
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Old 08-07-2020, 03:57 PM
 
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Yes. If they don't meet standards or pass assessments from previous in-school years, because distance learning is inadequate, they shouldn't just be shoved through the system to make quotas. I think it's more realistic to ask "how can we handle 20-40% of kids repeating their current grade?"
I agree with this. I don't know how my kids will do with the pod thing this year, but if they need to repeat...at least for once it's good they weren't born in Sept or Oct.
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Old 08-07-2020, 04:42 PM
 
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Frightening idea, isn't it?

Maybe as soon as it's safe they should lengthen school days, lengthen the school year, explain to parents that there will be more homework, and cut back on non-essentials like art in elementary school and study hall in high school.
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Old 08-08-2020, 04:42 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Frightening idea, isn't it?

Maybe as soon as it's safe they should lengthen school days, lengthen the school year, explain to parents that there will be more homework, and cut back on non-essentials like art in elementary school and study hall in high school.
Do you really not have a clue? It's ok over in that cesspool you create in Politics and Other Controversies but over here actual consequences are discussed.

Here, I'll give you one clue: Art at all levels is required for school systems to maintain their accreditation.
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Old 08-08-2020, 07:04 AM
 
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Frightening idea, isn't it?

Maybe as soon as it's safe they should lengthen school days, lengthen the school year, explain to parents that there will be more homework, and cut back on non-essentials like art in elementary school and study hall in high school.
Or we may find they can accomplish the same results in half the time. I fall into the camp that students should be allowed to advance when they are ready to advance, not when the calendar say so. I would include both academic and maturity considerations in the definition of "ready" so it would have to be an individualistic decision and not a check the box automatic one.

Think back to your own time in school and how much time was spent repeating the same thing that had just been taught multiple times. Or how some students would work together intentionally to get the teacher off track by asking the same question again and again. Eliminate that time waste and you could finish the school year in February.
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Old 08-08-2020, 07:08 AM
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Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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Frightening idea, isn't it?

Maybe as soon as it's safe they should lengthen school days, lengthen the school year, explain to parents that there will be more homework, and cut back on non-essentials like art in elementary school and study hall in high school.
A better idea --- privatize all education and put the NEA out of business!!!
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Old 08-08-2020, 07:28 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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A better idea --- privatize all education and put the NEA out of business!!!
Or outsource to a country who has got it right and has sustained results for 20+ yrs. Very, very easy and practical to do. Sell 1/2 the school buildings and all the buses. (Some countries have been holding double sessions / day for many years.)

When we volunteered in schools, our kids would exclaim.... "If the students would listen and engage, they could be out of there before noon.. Why waste all day stuck inside a school building?"
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Old 08-08-2020, 10:23 AM
 
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Frightening idea, isn't it?

Maybe as soon as it's safe they should lengthen school days, lengthen the school year, explain to parents that there will be more homework, and cut back on non-essentials like art in elementary school and study hall in high school.
It's interesting (and evident) when someone not familiar with education or America chimes in with an opinion on education in America. Art is a necessary academic program and cutting it would be detrimental. Imagine if the founding fathers had skipped art.

I agree with lengthening of the school year or even school on the weekends to make up for shortcomings in education during this period.... but only to an extend. Summer breaks and weekends are very important as well.
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