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Old 08-30-2020, 07:10 PM
 
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Why not maintain high standards and force the kids to step up? Politics. It was felt it was racist or culturally insensitive to make the chronic low achievers learn the ruling class's vocabulary and ideas/logic. So, the tests have been broadened culturally, to be more inclusive. And dumbed down.

Freshman year at public universities has become a remedial grade 12 of high school; some of them are requiring writing courses to teach college students... how to write... because they didn't get that in public school. Pathetic.

Meanwhile, the Japanese, Koreans, and now the Chinese have left us in the dirt. If you want to understand why Americans no longer excel in industry, engineering, science and mathematics, this is why.
This. I couldn't rep you again and I couldn't agree with you more.

Last edited by Zaladane714; 08-30-2020 at 07:10 PM.. Reason: clarity, I hope
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Old 08-30-2020, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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The shakeup of the education industry is one of the few good things to come out of the Chinavirus. It is teaching us that the "conventional" centralized school system isn't the only way to educate kids. It is getting parents more involved in their kids education. It is opening up more efficient, and more cost effective approaches to educating students. It demonstrates that teachers don't have to be part of a government bureaucracy in a government building to do the job. Parents have options to pick and choose teachers, from around the country, given the technology available, that can do the job. They don't have to stick with the ones in their local schools, who might be either excellent or terrible. This also opens up opportunities for students with specific interests to take classes that might not have sufficient demand to justify a class at their local school.
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Old 08-31-2020, 05:20 AM
 
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Quality of education has a lot to do with the individual student and family. Not just who one has as a teacher. Also, in a regular school environment, there are social distractions. This is not necessarily a better thing as many people make it out to be. Do you think a teacher having to enforce school discipline is quality time instruction? So and so's student could be part of a discipline problem. On top of that, having to attempt to focus on 25-35+ students at the same time where an undisciplined student can negatively affect others is certainly not positive and is a different kind of education than being able to focus on a smaller number of students.
It's part of the job and they need to maintain order. It should not be as hard to enforce as it is.



I once taught in a school where a parent complained about her daughter's quality of education. She would behave badly in class and she decided to try to home school her child. I believe she also had to work, which didn't help. She tried it, and she started talking with her daughter's former teachers begging them to take her back. She was making the same kind of complaints that she struggled with her own daughter trying to home school her. The home schooling attempt lasted 4-6 months, and then back at school after that her daughter was again.
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Old 09-04-2020, 07:31 AM
 
Location: In a city within a state where politicians come to get their PHDs in Corruption
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I was a teacher in Los Angeles, middle and high schools. There are many parents who barely want to see their children let alone have to teach them! If you leave kids' educations to these parents our society would feel the negative impact.
Why? Do you really think teachers make that big of a difference, and can close that big of a gap? Teachers, just like anything, matter at the margins.
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Old 09-09-2020, 01:44 AM
 
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I was a teacher in Los Angeles, middle and high schools. There are many parents who barely want to see their children let alone have to teach them! If you leave kids' educations to these parents our society would feel the negative impact.
Many teachers feel the same way. They complain about individual students and whole classes frequently.
You do what you have to do because it is your responsibility, not necessarily because you want or like to.
There's a negative impact for the child in either case.
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Old 10-12-2020, 04:49 PM
 
Location: S-E Michigan
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Why? Do you really think teachers make that big of a difference, and can close that big of a gap? Teachers, just like anything, matter at the margins.
For some children, Yes! Their Teachers may be the only adults in their life who care about them.

Some Teachers are fantastic, some are horrible, just like all other professions.
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Old 10-13-2020, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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What if we look at aggregate data in the future and find out that kids doing online school without actually going to school do BETTER.

You know...like look at the data for say kindergarteners that never actually went to school...track their academic scores throughout their path.

I think once things get settled in these children will test as well or better than kids in the previous years who went to school 5 days a week.

Will this show the amount of waste in our education system?

Will some be left scratching their heads thinking why in the world these kids aren’t testing lower?

Will we see that once education is streamlined and made as efficient as possible that we don’t need nearly as much staff/teachers?

What if we can funnel that money into healthcare or something.

Maybe there can actually be some long term benefits to COVID as far as education reform in America....

For the amount of money we spend on education, could we actually just cut a check to every parent running the at-home school show? Maybe like a base salary.

I feel this could completely rip women out of the workplace.

Let’s say every parent not working yet controlling the education of a home-schooled child gets say $10,000/year. Perhaps $5,000 for each additional child they are educating.

Don’t we already spend close to $15,000/year per child?
There is more to school, whether virtual or traditional than actually learning the 3 rs.
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Old 10-14-2020, 10:16 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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There is more to school, whether virtual or traditional than actually learning the 3 rs.
Exactly, and comprehensive home schooling does have a huge advantage to providing "Life skills" that traditional USA education cannot deliver. (Whether by classroom or virtual attendance). Such as intergenerational business and social communication. Actual experience running a business and tutoring across age groups (as a student). Daily home responsibility (finance, maintenance, neighborhood) ... Becoming a responsible self starter (and self finisher / completion). PS students know little of the above necessary skills and employers and spouse / family must bear the burden of teaching them. At a huge lose of productivity.
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Old Today, 03:50 AM
 
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from K thru 12th, Collaboration on projects. Feedback from peers, and yes the support of teachers, aide the student . The Tools in chemistry, the activity in gym. The library, the life lessons (experiences) do occur in a school setting. Teachers are often the disciplinarian , the mentors/ guidance

I agree with a poster who mentioned the fact that now with children learning from home, the onus is more on the guardian to adapt and moderate the learning tasks of the minor. So yeah the entire "tax" for education is being revamped for more "online" tools, software. Which is far less then - Heating/utilities/maintenance, class room supplies, and admin fees when operating the building for education or after school activities.

Homeschool programs in my area never paid the parents/guardians. They chose to take up that activity and did so with the understanding of what it took to complete the syllabus.

Some students are self starters ....not needing prodding or direct interaction. For that I can see how it matters not to them. They are resourcefull.

Yet the young and mostly floundering in keeping up would fair better in a school setting. Kids helping kids still is a resource that is invaluable.

I feel for the parents as the "New" way of learning for students completely misses the "thought process to get from A to B" and goes directly to Multiple answer choices.
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