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Old 09-19-2020, 01:14 PM
 
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Still USA produces more STEM grads them top three in total numbers. Only India does more by far.

Why doesnt India have a tech sector so large and in charge that Americans are trying to migrate there and take those jobs at lesser wages?

USA is second in total absolute number of STEM grads. Everyone is far far behind India.
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Old 09-19-2020, 01:35 PM
 
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...es/ar-BB196xbg

Read this today and thought it was interesting. In spite of all the claims of pushing STEM too much, the US is actually way down the list at just 18 percent.
I was unaware of claims that we push STEM too much, that's news to me.

Keep in mind that in many of those countries there is a vastly smaller market for non-STEM so their larger % should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Old 09-19-2020, 02:07 PM
 
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Still USA produces more STEM grads them top three in total numbers. Only India does more by far.

Why doesnt India have a tech sector so large and in charge that Americans are trying to migrate there and take those jobs at lesser wages?

USA is second in total absolute number of STEM grads. Everyone is far far behind India.
India does have a large and growing tech sector. China's is massive. Why would you believe that just because today the US is ahead that it will stay that way? We have no God given right to be a tech powerhouse any more than an industrial one. China has just under 1.5 billion people. India has about the same. If we don't grow adapt and lead-turn faster than they do, in 30 years it won't be about Indian's migrating to the US on H1b's but Americans wondering if a college degree will qualify them to work for Starbucks in China.



"On the other hand, when the Pentagon and other national security agencies start looking for STEM graduates and STEM-trained engineers who can pass the necessary security clearances, they will find themselves facing a severe shortfall of American nationals who can pass muster. In short, an alarming trend is developing: America’s ability to produce, sustain, and protect research in key technological and knowledge areas vital to our defense and national security looks vulnerable because the talent pool of American citizens working in this area is shrinking. And while U.S. leadership in STEM is slipping away, other countries, including China, continue to surge ahead."https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2...onal-security/
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Old 09-19-2020, 03:28 PM
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India does have a large and growing tech sector. China's is massive. Why would you believe that just because today the US is ahead that it will stay that way? We have no God given right to be a tech powerhouse any more than an industrial one. China has just under 1.5 billion people. India has about the same. If we don't grow adapt and lead-turn faster than they do, in 30 years it won't be about Indian's migrating to the US on H1b's but Americans wondering if a college degree will qualify them to work for Starbucks in China.



"On the other hand, when the Pentagon and other national security agencies start looking for STEM graduates and STEM-trained engineers who can pass the necessary security clearances, they will find themselves facing a severe shortfall of American nationals who can pass muster. In short, an alarming trend is developing: America’s ability to produce, sustain, and protect research in key technological and knowledge areas vital to our defense and national security looks vulnerable because the talent pool of American citizens working in this area is shrinking. And while U.S. leadership in STEM is slipping away, other countries, including China, continue to surge ahead."https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2...onal-security/
https://www.npr.org/2016/12/11/50515...guide-to-facts
"Is the story set in the future? It's hard to get firsthand reporting from there. Any story that tells you what will happen should be marked down 50 percent for this reason alone."
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Old 09-19-2020, 04:21 PM
 
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"On the other hand, when the Pentagon and other national security agencies start looking for STEM graduates and STEM-trained engineers who can pass the necessary security clearances, they will find themselves facing a severe shortfall of American nationals who can pass muster. In short, an alarming trend is developing: America’s ability to produce, sustain, and protect research in key technological and knowledge areas vital to our defense and national security looks vulnerable because the talent pool of American citizens working in this area is shrinking. And while U.S. leadership in STEM is slipping away, other countries, including China, continue to surge ahead."https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2...onal-security/
LOL, they can recruit from the 50% or so of engineers (including me) who left the profession. Oh, and pay accordingly. A bright young person can do accounting, fix transmissions or even clean teeth for a lot more money. Haven't they wondered why there's been this "shortage of engineers" for decades?
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Old 09-19-2020, 04:39 PM
 
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Well, the percent stat is a bit useless; out of what percent of the population that has a degree or is in college?
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Old 09-19-2020, 05:40 PM
 
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LOL, they can recruit from the 50% or so of engineers (including me) who left the profession. Oh, and pay accordingly. A bright young person can do accounting, fix transmissions or even clean teeth for a lot more money. Haven't they wondered why there's been this "shortage of engineers" for decades?

That's an absurd set of implications. If your career fishtailed that's on you most likely. It's easy to look at broad pay and employment numbers. The idea that engineers earn less on balance than transmisison techs and dental hygienists is silly.
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Old 09-19-2020, 05:57 PM
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And a career is not *only about money.
An true engineer never wants to be a technician or nurse.
Especially not a nurse! Engineers get much more respect! Not kidding, either.
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Old 09-19-2020, 06:37 PM
 
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That's an absurd set of implications. If your career fishtailed that's on you most likely. It's easy to look at broad pay and employment numbers. The idea that engineers earn less on balance than transmisison techs and dental hygienists is silly.
Nope, not on me. The jobs weren't there. I had very few coworkers my age. When I was laid off from my last engineering job, I'd been sending out resumes for four months without a phone call. Lately? I've met young engineers who took a year to find a job.

Before you argue from incredulity about what transmission mechanics and dental hygienists make, look up their pay.

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Old 09-19-2020, 06:50 PM
 
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India does have a large and growing tech sector. China's is massive. Why would you believe that just because today the US is ahead that it will stay that way? We have no God given right to be a tech powerhouse any more than an industrial one. China has just under 1.5 billion people. India has about the same. If we don't grow adapt and lead-turn faster than they do, in 30 years it won't be about Indian's migrating to the US on H1b's but Americans wondering if a college degree will qualify them to work for Starbucks in China.



"On the other hand, when the Pentagon and other national security agencies start looking for STEM graduates and STEM-trained engineers who can pass the necessary security clearances, they will find themselves facing a severe shortfall of American nationals who can pass muster. In short, an alarming trend is developing: America’s ability to produce, sustain, and protect research in key technological and knowledge areas vital to our defense and national security looks vulnerable because the talent pool of American citizens working in this area is shrinking. And while U.S. leadership in STEM is slipping away, other countries, including China, continue to surge ahead."https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2...onal-security/
I never said anything about staying ahead and staying that way.

With the amount of STEM grads India has and had, they really should have been ahead of the curve a long time ago one would think. At least in the IT field, for quite a while, they had enough workers to flood America's labor market in that industry to really drop the price of wage.

That is quite a lot of workers. Or perhaps they were just lagging behind in the other STEM fields until recently.
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