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Old 06-26-2023, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Where clams are a pizza topping
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Maybe the trades need to do a better job at promoting themselves. I live in an area where the high schools offer technical classes as electives on campus, as well as a partnership with a votech school. The community colleges offer certification and degree programs in programs like HVAC, electrical, and automotive repair. But, here is the reality of the local job market:

1. Trade unions are extremely hard to get into. Unless you have a serious hook and someone is doing some serious knob-polishing on your behalf, there is virtually zero chance of getting in.

2. There are many private companies looking for apprentices, but they pay less than the local big box stores and expect you to be certified before you can apprentice.

3. A step up from a private company is to get a job at a state hospital or university. Union representation, and okay pay, but you need certification and several years of experience to get in and there are only a handful of openings per year. The younger folks don’t often stay long because the pay is not impressive for such a high cost of living area.

Put simply, it appears that the employers are the ones who are doing the least to invest in the next generation of skilled tradespeople.
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Old 06-26-2023, 08:27 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Maybe the trades need to do a better job at promoting themselves. ...
Put simply, it appears that the employers are the ones who are doing the least to invest in the next generation of skilled tradespeople.
Are you an employer?, if so, hows that going to work out for you (when there are no employees)?

Dead end path if followed by employers. No more business, no more jobs, no way to sell a profitable skilled trades business with NO employees. No way to deliver a service or product.
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Old 06-26-2023, 08:38 PM
 
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In answer to the question of what happens to someone in the trades once they hit their 40s and 50s: by that age they should be the owner of their own company or at least a manager overseeing the young guys that are doing the physical work. Not that different from other career fields.

These days the trades aren’t the only option for students not suited to college. Plenty of opportunities in IT and other technical fields that require specialized skills but not a college degree.
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Old 06-26-2023, 09:51 PM
 
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In answer to the question of what happens to someone in the trades once they hit their 40s and 50s: by that age they should be the owner of their own company or at least a manager overseeing the young guys that are doing the physical work. Not that different from other career fields.

These days the trades aren’t the only option for students not suited to college. Plenty of opportunities in IT and other technical fields that require specialized skills but not a college degree.
I made the point earlier that we should not be talking about the "trades" per se, but all post-secondary vocational training. Limiting the discussion to strictly to the "trades" is just "preparation of the battlefield" for people who want to argue for "college for everyone."
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Old 06-26-2023, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I made the point earlier that we should not be talking about the "trades" per se, but all post-secondary vocational training. Limiting the discussion to strictly to the "trades" is just "preparation of the battlefield" for people who want to argue for "college for everyone."
Please be specific as to who here on this forum has suggested "college for everyone". Please name posters screen names.
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Old 06-26-2023, 09:57 PM
 
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Please be specific as to who here on this forum has suggested "college for everyone". Please name posters screen names.
Don't holla if the brick didn't hit ya.
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Old 06-26-2023, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Don't holla if the brick didn't hit ya.
In other words...no one.
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Old 06-26-2023, 10:29 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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The majority of students are not going to college.
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Most students are not going to college and most of those not going to college are not being directed to post-secondary training.
This simply isn’t true when speaking to those who enroll in any sort of college i.e. it’s around 60%; however, only about a quarter of students enroll in a four-year college from the get-go. Hence my previous point, the majority of students fall in the middle somewhere; they seek college/some sort of higher education and/or career training.
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Old 06-26-2023, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Most students are not going to college and most of those not going to college are not being directed to post-secondary training.
Where is your source of this?
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Old 06-26-2023, 10:53 PM
 
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What would you do if your light switch didn't work or there was no water in your sink? Call a sociologist? Lmfao.
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